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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Dakotak » Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:53 pm

Spike, are we talking about carbon, filter floss or biomedia(sponges,bio rings,bio wheels, etc)? The only media that should be rinsed under tap is carbon and filter floss.


As for depression, I dont think fish have the mental capacity to suffer from it. I do believe aquatic mammals can like dolphins and whales.

There has actually been studies that found whales have the same parts in their brain that we do to process emotions.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Firefly_Dreamer » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:33 pm

Carbon. I don know what filter floss is. or biorings/bio wheels. Are the sponges like this? because thats the only other thing i have in my filter other than pellets... I rinsed whatever those are, but not the pellets.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Ca ... 8-fish.jpg

http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/product_ ... 00x300.jpg

Um, i washed the fan in the bottom out too. it was all gunked up, and my dad broke one of the blade thingies off getting it out for me.

I was wondering because my two tanks are near each other and im afraid my angel is just gonna blankly stare at the other tank after i move him when my tank is ready.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Dakotak » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:46 pm

Spikester wrote:Carbon. I don know what filter floss is. or biorings/bio wheels. Are the sponges like this? because thats the only other thing i have in my filter other than pellets... I rinsed whatever those are, but not the pellets.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Ca ... 8-fish.jpg

http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/product_ ... 00x300.jpg

Um, i washed the fan in the bottom out too. it was all gunked up, and my dad broke one of the blade thingies off getting it out for me.

I was wondering because my two tanks are near each other and im afraid my angel is just gonna blankly stare at the other tank after i move him when my tank is ready.


Bio wheels Dont rinse in tap or throw away.
http://www.petmountain.com/photos/product/giant/114420S576312/aquarium-filter-bio-wheels/replacement-bio-wheel-for-eclipse-2-emperor-280b-400b-filters.jpg

Bio rings Dont rinse in tap or throw away.
http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/397934031/Ceramic_bio_rings.jpg

Filter floss Ok to rinse in tap and trow away.
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Categoryimages/normal/p-71256-50991-fish-supply.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m238/StevieTdrill/bwpoly.jpg

Sponges Dont rinse in tap or throw away.
http://www.petco.com/assets/product_images/1/1556110605C.jpg
http://aqstyle.why3s.cc/GOAQUA/Image/1010104-11.jpg

As in "fan" do you mean the impeller?
http://www.petmountain.com/photos/product/standard/114420S521549/aquarium_water_pump_impellers/700-canister-filter-impeller-cascade-700-impeller.jpg

If so you may need to replace it or the filter wont run properly.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Dia. » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:49 pm

I just took out the last of the artificial plants and decoration in my ten gallon. ^^
Now it has two lava rocks with anubias, a moss ball, and two chunks of mopani wood with an anubias on each. o3o
No more fuzzy algae in my tank for now, which is what my parents hated. xD
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Firefly_Dreamer » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:57 pm

Dakotak wrote:
Spikester wrote:Carbon. I don know what filter floss is. or biorings/bio wheels. Are the sponges like this? because thats the only other thing i have in my filter other than pellets... I rinsed whatever those are, but not the pellets.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Ca ... 8-fish.jpg

http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/product_ ... 00x300.jpg

Um, i washed the fan in the bottom out too. it was all gunked up, and my dad broke one of the blade thingies off getting it out for me.

I was wondering because my two tanks are near each other and im afraid my angel is just gonna blankly stare at the other tank after i move him when my tank is ready.


Bio wheels Dont rinse in tap or throw away.
http://www.petmountain.com/photos/product/giant/114420S576312/aquarium-filter-bio-wheels/replacement-bio-wheel-for-eclipse-2-emperor-280b-400b-filters.jpg

Bio rings Dont rinse in tap or throw away.
http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/397934031/Ceramic_bio_rings.jpg

Filter floss Ok to rinse in tap and trow away.
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Categoryimages/normal/p-71256-50991-fish-supply.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m238/StevieTdrill/bwpoly.jpg

Sponges Dont rinse in tap or throw away.
http://www.petco.com/assets/product_images/1/1556110605C.jpg
http://aqstyle.why3s.cc/GOAQUA/Image/1010104-11.jpg

As in "fan" do you mean the impeller?
http://www.petmountain.com/photos/product/standard/114420S521549/aquarium_water_pump_impellers/700-canister-filter-impeller-cascade-700-impeller.jpg

If so you may need to replace it or the filter wont run properly.


Okay then i have washed the sponges... although the filter floss looks so much like the sponges too... i have a submersible... i didn't rinse the biorings (which are the pellets im assuming as the pellets are called biomax)
a actually didnt know you werent supposed to rinse those as my dads owned fish for close to 30 years and he always did that...

And if thats what filter floss looks like then the guy at petsmart scammed me :( he told my mom it was cheaper to buy that and use that instead of the pads made for my fluval, and the bought it thinking it was a good deal. And i wasn't along so i didn't know until she got home.

Great... now more unexpected expenses and i have to go 3 hours out of town, permitted someone will take me, and but new stuff.

yeah the local petstoe doesn carry stuff like that. how long will my tanks be okay for because knowing my luck i'll have to wait a week or two.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Dakotak » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:04 pm

What did he sell you? When I had my 40 gallon I used the blue filter floss and made my own filter pads with carbon. That was way cheaper than buying an already made one from a company.

Also the white filter floss is basically polyester. So if you have any of that you can use it.

If your dad has been washing them for 30 years and his tanks are healthy then it works for him and he should stick to it, every tank is different. But generally you shouldn't, especially when starting a new cycle.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Firefly_Dreamer » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:28 pm

MarineLand brand Rite-size something, with carbon.

I dont know about the starting a new cycle... i kept the little bits of old gravel from before in there,

What i did was drain the tank and made sure all the much was off of the bottom of the tank, did what i did with the filter, removed the ornaments and added gravel and some different ornaments, and i filled it back up

When i had made the descision to go barebottom before, i had some gravel left in there because you can get it all up, so i left that in there.

And yeah my dad had always done that. he started fishkeeping at 15 in england and i started fishkeeping with bettas when i was 6 or seven in that hex. tank i have now. then after my first, Mr. Rainbow had died, about two years after getting him, i had gotten two small comets that died overnight. My ded was still in england and my mom didn't know you had to rinse the gravel and cycle tank and all that jazz.

Anyway, when my dad came over he always did that with the tanks and when he did stuff with my tanks, normally my fish lived a long time. so i just do as he says most of the time, and when im unsure i ask on here, or when my dad doesn't have an answer

(and i dont mean bio dad obviously... stepdad)

And by a long time i mean when my parents were planning to move they purposely tried to starve the mollies out but they never did die so my grandma flushed them.

Cruel, right? they didn't wanna transport them 3 hours away though, so thats what happened sadly enough :( i was maybe eight and had a 10 gallon so i got no say whatsoever and my second beta Mr. Blue went with the mollies as well.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Equid Phantasm » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:53 am

Spikester wrote:MarineLand brand Rite-size something, with carbon.

I dont know about the starting a new cycle... i kept the little bits of old gravel from before in there,

What i did was drain the tank and made sure all the much was off of the bottom of the tank, did what i did with the filter, removed the ornaments and added gravel and some different ornaments, and i filled it back up

When i had made the descision to go barebottom before, i had some gravel left in there because you can get it all up, so i left that in there.

And yeah my dad had always done that. he started fishkeeping at 15 in england and i started fishkeeping with bettas when i was 6 or seven in that hex. tank i have now. then after my first, Mr. Rainbow had died, about two years after getting him, i had gotten two small comets that died overnight. My ded was still in england and my mom didn't know you had to rinse the gravel and cycle tank and all that jazz.

Anyway, when my dad came over he always did that with the tanks and when he did stuff with my tanks, normally my fish lived a long time. so i just do as he says most of the time, and when im unsure i ask on here, or when my dad doesn't have an answer

(and i dont mean bio dad obviously... stepdad)

And by a long time i mean when my parents were planning to move they purposely tried to starve the mollies out but they never did die so my grandma flushed them.

Cruel, right? they didn't wanna transport them 3 hours away though, so thats what happened sadly enough :( i was maybe eight and had a 10 gallon so i got no say whatsoever and my second beta Mr. Blue went with the mollies as well.


Oh my gosh, yes that was cruel and unthinkable not to mention likely illegal in some places. I know where I live, if you get caught "flushing" or are reported doing so and they prove it, you can be fined for cruelty. The fish you mentioned could have survived the trip with only a few inches of water or in a jar full of their own water rather than flushing them.

Filter floss such as is used in box filters is ok, but I doubt it would work in a fluval, and it is typically removed after it gets brown and new put in, hence more purchases.

However, like others have mentioned, you can make your own pillow case style filter out of white polyester "filter" material which you can find at a fabric store or craft store or even Walmart and other department store craft sections. It's called fiberfill sometimes and typically it's fabric application is for the padding you find inside quilts so it's typically housed in the quilter's section in craft stores. It comes in bolts like fabric, or it can also be purchased by the bag in pre-cut sizes.

I have used this exclusively for years now in my filtered tanks (Versus my bare bottom which use sponges.) instead of paying $5 to $6 for 1 filter pad I paid maybe $3.98 for a whole yard of the material and get like 20 filters from it by measuring the original filter pad, cutting a piece large enough to fold in half making it the size of the filter pad, and sewing it into a little "pillowcase" and inserting some granular activated carbon (Not the big gravel sized chunks, it's more about the size of large seeds). I then place the pillowcase over the frame provided with my one original filter cartridge. I've saved probably hundreds of dollars over the years. The filter pad can be re-used by just rinsing it out thoroughly with tank water. To do this, siphon or scoop out some water into a bowl or basin and use a moderate back and forth motion with your hands on either side of the filter pad to loosen debris (Which does eventually stretch the pad out beyond use.) Next, drain out the dirty water and rinses the pad again in clean tank water and re-distributing the carbon evenly. Occasionally replace the carbon or add to it.

I'm big on saving bucks and that's been my biggest savings over buying new filter pads. The activated carbon is important because it filters out colors and odors from the water and assists with the biological cycle as well.

On quick tank cycles. As I mentioned before, Fritzyme or any other product that has the starter enzymes for the tank "cycle" will work to quickly allow you to put in your angelfish. Otherwise, yes, it can take a week or 2 to cycle. That doesn't necessarily mean you can't have a fish in it, but I wouldn't put the angelfish in it unless it's good water. You also want to acclimate the angelfish to the new water by putting him in a bag or other container with his existing water and gradually adding a little bit more and more of the new water in with him until both the temperature and parameters have leveled out. Then net him out of the bag or container and put him in the new tank and dispose of the merged water.

Good job on the recycled media/gravel. It's not required to remove it once the new gravel and thank have established themselves, but most people do remove the old starter material and put it back into their other tanks or start another new tank with it.

On the sponges and rinsing notes, mine are box sponges designed for the corner with slate bottoms. I've never had to replace one but I do take them out and squeeze them out to remove debris about once a month. I use some of the water I have drained from the tank. I do NOT use tap water. I then dump out the dirty water and rinse them out again using some additional water from the tank.

On the fish and depression notes. While I don't know of any research done on the subject, I do know that fish will mope around and fish do suffer ptsd (Post traumatic stress disorder) type symptoms from the loss of a close tank mate or partner, especially if there are few fish in the tank. I recently lost my gorgeous male black angelfish and his mate was so lost without him, she hid around the plants, hung at the bottom and only now after a couple weeks has come out and started being friendly again. She was eating, but much less than normal. She was perfectly healthy until he passed. My 2 female bettas Fiesta and Teala are housed side by side normally. I recently did an attempt at pairing Teala with my copper male Irri. Teala, has gotten beaten up pretty well by Irri and now sits a little sideways and is less active but healing Now Fiesta sits by the same side of her tank as Teala and goes up and down, up and down by Teala as if talking to Teala about how she feels or trying to get her to move around. Fiesta was very lackluster while Teala was in with Irri and kind of just sat in her tank. She only moved around a little when I fed her. Once Teala was back, she returned to her normal swimming around and friendliness except she does that up and down up and down in front of Teala now. it's just an observation, but who is to say they don't know or don't have emotions just because their brain is differently made. Perhaps their brain's emotions are housed quite differently than humans.

Either way, it's something to observe such behavior.

I hope all goes well with your tank. You could try in a few days if you used the Fritzyme or w hatever is recommended on the label.

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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby above_all_else » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:34 am

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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Grimace » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:52 am

Its not really possible to give any answer to what a "fish" is mentally capable of, since its such a massive and varied group of animals. I'm sure there are at least a few species capable of whatever though.
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