Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby Pastasquid » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:47 am

.: Lupen :. wrote:
loveheart307 wrote:I don't know much about pest control :D

I don't see anything wrong with hunting for population reasons but how do you know if you buy a pelt that it is from pest control? Do they say?

Don't agree with

Poaching
Trapping
Slow deaths
Hunting in general but if it's fair to the animals I suppose it's okay.
Trophy hunting/ wasting body
Selling only the pelt for the money
Arial hunting (In helicopters) The wolf has to run :( )

I don't mind

Quick deaths
Hunting for food
Killing for self defense
Taxidermy as long as the animal has been killed fairly


Just responding to the bolded things in your list - trapping is actually fairly humane. The limb that's caught in the trap usually goes numb fairly quickly, and animals rarely chew it off, only a few species do (wolverines and some other animals I can't remember...). I'm not saying it never happens, but it's much rarer than people make it out to be. Trappers also have to check their traps quite frequently due to regulations, and in the case of smaller mammals they sometimes even die instantly, or near instantly.

As for wasting the body. It is actually illegal, at least in the US, to leave the body of an animal, and just take say... the head or horns. By law, you must take the body with you and try and use everything in some way. Sell the pelt or use it, eat the meat, feed it to your pets or sell it... the bones can also be given to dogs or sold.

It's just that some people make hunters out to be disgusting, evil, wasteful creatures yet that simply isn't the case. Poachers? Maybe. Hunters? Nope. Because as soon as they do something illegal like wasting the whole body of an animal or shooting out of season they are no longer hunters in my book, but poachers.

And about selling pelts for money. What's wrong with that? If it's sold it'll be going to someone who can better use it, while providing the hunter/trapper with money to provide for his family.


Hm, I never knew animals would chew off their leg! If it goes numb, I still wouldn't like it but it's more humane :)

And also when I said about the pelt, I mean just wanting the money and wasting the body which I know now is illegal :D
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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby Pastasquid » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:50 am

Van wrote:
.: Lupen :. wrote:
loveheart307 wrote:I don't know much about pest control :D

I don't see anything wrong with hunting for population reasons but how do you know if you buy a pelt that it is from pest control? Do they say?

Don't agree with

Poaching
Trapping
Slow deaths
Hunting in general but if it's fair to the animals I suppose it's okay.
Trophy hunting/ wasting body
Selling only the pelt for the money
Arial hunting (In helicopters) The wolf has to run :( )

I don't mind

Quick deaths
Hunting for food
Killing for self defense
Taxidermy as long as the animal has been killed fairly


Just responding to the bolded things in your list - trapping is actually fairly humane. The limb that's caught in the trap usually goes numb fairly quickly, and animals rarely chew it off, only a few species do (wolverines and some other animals I can't remember...). I'm not saying it never happens, but it's much rarer than people make it out to be. Trappers also have to check their traps quite frequently due to regulations, and in the case of smaller mammals they sometimes even die instantly, or near instantly.

As for wasting the body. It is actually illegal, at least in the US, to leave the body of an animal, and just take say... the head or horns. By law, you must take the body with you and try and use everything in some way. Sell the pelt or use it, eat the meat, feed it to your pets or sell it... the bones can also be given to dogs or sold.

It's just that some people make hunters out to be disgusting, evil, wasteful creatures yet that simply isn't the case. Poachers? Maybe. Hunters? Nope. Because as soon as they do something illegal like wasting the whole body of an animal or shooting out of season they are no longer hunters in my book, but poachers.

And about selling pelts for money. What's wrong with that? If it's sold it'll be going to someone who can better use it, while providing the hunter/trapper with money to provide for his family.

i agree with everything you've said here, but i'd like to add something.
there really is no such thing as 'trophy hunting' by most standards. if your definition of a 'trophy hunter' is someone who only uses the head/horns or other minimal parts of the animal, and usually only cares about shooting the biggest animal, tbh those kinds of people are actually pretty rare, and even considered poachers by a lot of responsible hunters' standards. hunting is hunting, whether the person wants to mount their kill or not - keep a 'trophy', if you will - or just wants to use the meat or even sell the pelt for profit. almost all hunters keep mementos from their hunts, and i don't really have any problem admitting that i am one of those hunters [i prefer to keep the pelts of every animal i kill] - there's nothing wrong with keeping something to remind you about the hunt, or even just to have so that you can appreciate the animal's beauty, even after death.
in my opinion, there is really no such thing as a 'trophy hunter'.


I think it's ok that you keep the pelts of any animal you kill, you don't waste it and it's your oppinion :D I thought trophy hunters just wanted the get the pelts and body parts to mount on walls and shelves.

I don't really like how some people like to kill animals :)
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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby Onew~ » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:50 pm

I don't think a lot of hunters hunt because they like killing animals/seeing an animal die in front of them. For a lot of people, it's knowing that this animal will supply their family with food for who knows how long, etc.
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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby scrungy » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:35 am

I am against hunting. That is all i need to say.
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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby van » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:17 am

ShadowDarkpaw wrote:I am against hunting. That is all i need to say.

elaborate? what forms of hunting are you against? i assume you're vegan/vegetarian? are you against the hunting of all animals [other than wolves]? what about population control? pest control? care to.. explain? there's really not much to go off of when you just say that 'you're against hunting'. c:
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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby Onew~ » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:43 pm

ShadowDarkpaw wrote:I am against hunting. That is all i need to say.


Wow, what a great conversation starter, there...
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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby bearcups » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:14 pm

I wasn't aware that you were required to provide a conversation starter in here.
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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby Gà. » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:28 pm

aeiou wrote:I wasn't aware that you were required to provide a conversation starter in here.

But its like budging into a conversation, siding with no one for no reason, then practically saying "But I won't explain WHY I agree with this person". I don't care if people budge in (Thats the point of this.... XD), but saying something like,
"I hate ____. But I won't explain why"
Its just.... I don't know. Rude? Stupid? Annoying? I don't want to insult anyone but.....
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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby Pastasquid » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:14 pm

Onew~ wrote:I don't think a lot of hunters hunt because they like killing animals/seeing an animal die in front of them. For a lot of people, it's knowing that this animal will supply their family with food for who knows how long, etc.



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Re: Wolves. Wolf hunting. Opinions?

Postby Pastasquid » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:16 pm

She doesn't have to explain herself, she's against hunting and thats all she has to say. She doesn't need to explain why, it's her oppinion and maybe she doesn't want to get into an argument. :)
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