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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby Jazi » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:45 am

I am neutral on the declawing debate because I have yet to hear an answer for what someone does if they live in an area that has landlords which require declaws.
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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby Buddy & Boonie » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:48 am

Saracirce wrote:Performance enhancers are illegal in the Olympic games, for both human and horses, and is illegal in most (probably all) sports that treat horses as equal partners rather then just dumb brutes. Too lazy and stressed right now to look up an exact list but I can tell you it includes all the equestrian events in the Olympics.

Rather then inject their horses with steroids or 'energy drinks', most put their horses on 'hot' diets. Diets that will give the horse tons of energy. Just like you can with any other animal, you can manipulate a horse's diet to either give it more energy, put weight on it, give it less energy, give it a healthier coat/hooves, etc. No professional who truly cares about their animal will give them performance enhancers. A horse who is hyped up on something and who's thoughts are racing can be a serious danger. They don't stop to think, just like people under the same conditions, and can spook at small things and cause damage to themselves, their rider and to other people.

EDIT: And the only thing I could find about injecting acid into ANY horse's legs is to help treat pain and swelling. In which case, the horse probably shouldn't be showing anyway or doing any sort of strenuous exercise as it will, more then likely, just make the injury worse. Again, people who have top-ranked horses in their county and in the world will not do anything detrimental to that horse, if only for the sake of what that horse is worth.


just because its illegal does not mean people dont do it
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and they probably dont do it in the olympics
but other places they probably do
steroids are used even if its illegal
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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby Saracirce » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:56 am

I know it being illegal doesn't mean they won't use it. Heck, it's rumored the reason one my favorite wrestlers was suspended a couple months ago was because he failed a drug test. But law-abiding citizens who actually care about their horses will not touch the stuff for any reason other then to help a horse through an injury/sickness and then they wean them off ASAP. I'm talking about people who truly one hundred percent love, respect and care for their horses. People who use steroids just to make their horse perform better do not care about the horse. They only care about how it preforms and the money it rakes in from wins.
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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby blueshadowmoon » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:11 pm

MistressEmu wrote:Is putting down cats and dogs right?


It depends on the situation. Sometimes when the animal is in too much pain, is actually aggressive and not fear aggressive, or things like that where it can't be saved, yes it is. I would rather see a dog put down than be pitted against other dogs in fights to the death. I would rather see if be put down than be in a lot of pain and end up dying anyway. My friend had a cat with cancer so they put it down because they would rather to that instead of having to spend money they don't have for treatments when they aren't sure they'll work and the cat was in a lot of pain as well. The cat was about 20 years old, was partly blind and could barely move anymore. They had other cats to care for, one was on a medication at the time and they were having trouble paying for that on top of everything so they had to put the cat down since no one would want to adopt a 20 year old cat that was blind, could barely move and had cancer and they couldn't afford the treatments.

MistressEmu wrote:What do you think of circuses?


It depends on how they treat the animals. Whips, small cages and stressful conditions are not the way it should be, those I do not support.
There is a circus that treats their animals very well that comes into the area I live every year. The animals have large cages and are treated with respect. The bull they have is the biggest animal there. They have dogs, cats, and small horses other than the bull. When they move around they put the animals under the least stress possible. After a trick that an animal performs it is rewarded with a treat no matter the species. I do support that circus, they give circuses a good name. All of their performers are rescues, a lot of them were going to be put down but they saved them and are now given a lot of affection and attention. I do support circuses like those since they care about the living creatures that are in it and not just the money.

MistressEmu wrote:You know those horses in the Olympics? The ones that prance around and lift their legs real high? Well, people inject acids into their legs, so it really hurts the horses when they put their hooves down. That's why they have tape around they're legs.


As already said they would not do that to million dollar horses and horses are very stubborn when they're hurt. As Saracirce said they are more likely to put the horses on a different diet. The animals are athletes and are treated as such, it's the same for all preforming animals. They can be worth a lot of money and are treated with respect. People are more likely to cheer on a horse that is obviously treated with care than one that is obviously mistreated. At some agility events owners will have their dog be given a massage afterward and will only give it certain foods, water, toys, treats, and when needed, medications as an example.
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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby Flyleaf214 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:46 pm

I don't believe in declawing cats. If they don't have their claws and, they get out doors they have a lesser chance of surviving. They will have a harder time hunting and, defending themselves.
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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby blueshadowmoon » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:57 pm

Flyleaf214 wrote:I don't believe in declawing cats. If they don't have their claws and, they get out doors they have a lesser chance of surviving. They will have a harder time hunting and, defending themselves.


I do agree with you on the declawing thing, unless the cat needs it for a medical reason such as the cat has extra toes and the claws will grow into the paw if not trimmed at specific times and it's near to impossible to trim the claws or if the paw gets crushed and the claws have to be removed because of that. Declawing is very unnecessary unless it's for a medical reason (such as above) since there are so many products out there. I would, however, rather have a cat declawed than euthanized.
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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby razorstar » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:59 pm

If it's an indoor cat that never goes outside, I'm totally fine with and approve of declawing.
If it gets out often, is let out, or lives outside, I compeltly disaprove of declawing.
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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby Lupen » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:00 pm

I don't believe in declawing cats either. Why put them through unnecessary pain?

One of my cats has one of his dewclaws growing back in through his paw pad, and my other cat sometimes avoids the litter box and does his business outside it. So I know first hand that declawing can bring risks. These two were declawed before I realized what went on during the operation, and what problems could arise afterwards, of course. However, my newest cat has his claws and will be keeping them.

BUT, I understand when there's a medical reason for the cat needing to be declawed. I know some people on here have said that their cat had problems retracting their claws and such, and needed a few removed. I also understand when you are required to declaw your cat, or else you'd have to move or get rid of them. But for stupid reasons like your furniture getting destroyed, or not wanting to be scratched? No. You shouldn't have gotten a cat in the first place.
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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby Jazi » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:31 pm

blueshadowmoon wrote:
Flyleaf214 wrote:I don't believe in declawing cats. If they don't have their claws and, they get out doors they have a lesser chance of surviving. They will have a harder time hunting and, defending themselves.


I do agree with you on the declawing thing, unless the cat needs it for a medical reason such as the cat has extra toes and the claws will grow into the paw if not trimmed at specific times and it's near to impossible to trim the claws or if the paw gets crushed and the claws have to be removed because of that. Declawing is very unnecessary unless it's for a medical reason (such as above) since there are so many products out there. I would, however, rather have a cat declawed than euthanized.

Actually it's suggested that polydactyl cats avoid getting declawed AT ALL COSTS unless their toes are so deformed that there is literally no way to prevent their claws from becoming ingrown. The reason being is that the surgery may seriously damage their already strained paws (strained from having extra toes) and it has a higher chance of making them lame.
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Re: Declawing? Pet Centers?

Postby bangarain » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:05 pm

Declawing is horrible. Why? Because you're not just getting rid of the claws, they take off the entire toe to about the first joint. It's the removal of that section of paw, not just claws. :c
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