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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby Yamanaka Shin » Fri May 21, 2010 12:16 pm

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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby mokapi » Fri May 21, 2010 1:30 pm

In response to your edit, the black-backed is probably the most fitting <3 I'm not good with talking about feelings, so I typically brush them off with something meant to distract everyone/whoever I'm talking to from whatever got me into said mood, and it usually is something like a sarcastic joke/comment (it's rarer when I'm mad, though, unless I'm angry and can't take it out on the person that got me that way. Then I use cruel jokes in an attempt to calm down.) Another thing, from the analysis: However, nobody would call you ‘funny’. That’s maybe because there are always comments which throw others off, which are aimed a little wrongly and artworks that raise eyebrows. You are extreme in your humour and even though you can conceal it in unknown territory, in your own people just know how you are. This is incredibly accurate, LOL.

But I have to disagree with jackals not fitting- they're definitely what I'm sticking with for now. I may be indecisive on the exact type, but jackals are a bulls-eye, in my opinion.

They are still canines which rely on feeling people out to avoid confrontation. Reading the oponent and knowing when to stop before something crosses the line is a HUGE point for jackals.


IMO, that's a general rule for any possible altercation...for anybody xD I'm very good at reading people in general, and though I do toe people's breaking points often, it's usually for my own amusement and if I cross them and things are taken too far, I excel at turning it into something that's ~*~not that big of a deal~*~. And this, from the analysis:

You have a tendency to open your mouth where you shouldn’t. Calling that armed, big and angry looking gang of black guys gay mommy’s kids is a bad. idea. Whatever you might think.

Is something that I can definitely relate to as well. As long as I know I can get out of any real trouble/harm, I don't mind.

In arguments and confrontations, he makes jokes and mocking comments. I am the exact same way; even when fighting I try to reign myself in a little. If the person conceeds, can I make what I said seem like a joke so that I don't have to go through awkward apologies?


I definitely mock (not sure about straight jokes, but definitely I definitely hit points about them that make the others around us laugh at said person), and how you explained turning it into a joke as to avoid apologizing is about half the basis of how I deal with friends that I have to get snippy with.

All wild canines are experts at keeping social tension to the minimum. A canine that relies on teamwork with its packmates absolutly has to learn to avoid big social conflicts.


Jackals live in single pairs, though? And only hunt in groups to take down larger prey- I could have sworn that was how it works. And according to wiki:

It is the most aggressive of the jackals, having been known to singly attack animals many times its own weight, and has more quarrelsome intra-pack relationships[11]

^being said of the black-backed. That's something that could explain my more aggressive behavior and why I don't turn-tail even when I should.

The way you describe your fightin style and lack of a certain amount of caution doesn't seem to match up.


I wouldn't say I lack caution; half the time I have too much of it. You can and will initiate small things, but really want to have others with you if you do bigger things. This. If it's someone that's a lot bigger/stronger than me, I won't step up to the plate by myself- usually I'll do it in a crowd. It makes sure they don't kill me, and that I don't make a fool of myself. These two things, as well:
- As a last resort, you actively spite them, but not in a way they will notice. You know you’re not the strongest person on this planet, but you can talk. And talk can make people angry, can make them embarrass themselves in front of people they don’t want to be embarrassed in front of and will make them back off after a while. You will talk them into wanting to go. You will use your charisma to make them believe you are right. Or, at least, make them say you are right just so you shut up. You dog them, literally.
- You’re not sensitive enough to know when to stop and that makes up quite a part of your reputation.

...are also key things about my "style" so to speak. There's a ton more, but those two stuck out (and I randomly saw them about the same time I was bringing up that point).

Now, at the same time, I'm probably more on the unhealthy side. From the analysis' multiple blocks of 'UNHEALTHY" text, the following fit:

► Exploited. People try to gain from what you’ve got.
► Probably seen as cruel and sadistic. While you have a sadistic streak, though, this isn’t bigger as in any other human. Mostly it’s pure exuberance. People hate you for it, though.
► They hate you for your success, too. There might be shoulder-pats, but in truth, everything is competition. There are no friends out there besides your mate.
► The harder they hit, the more you bite back. This has earned you a reputation of being asocial, uncaring and an overall ass.
► Looked down on.
► Probably picked on. And while you can and will attack back (be it verbally or physically) it does wear on you, even if you don’t show your feelings.
► Let’s face it: you’re an ass.
► Either overly aggressive or overly anxious with anxious being the preferable state for those around you. Aggressive is the preferable state for you, though.
► Cocky and mean.
► Tendency to look down on what you don’t like and make fun of others for liking it.
► You stop worrying about anything concerning your friends. You simply don’t care anymore.
► Attack those closest to you, snap, make sure they stay far away from you. (during bad moods especially. The people that I truly care about- very, very few- usually know better than to take these behaviors to heart.)
► Always overworked. You stopped caring about anything, really, and everything stresses you.
► Not likely to ever tell others what’s on your mind.
► You literally become impossible to be around.
► You never admit you’re wrong.
► Overly critical and scathing.
► Now, your tendency to want people to read your mind is your demise. What you need most now is kindness, but what you communicate is ‘leave me alone’.
► Highly critical of the work of others, convinced you’re the best even if you never did their job before.
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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby Aureus » Fri May 21, 2010 2:08 pm

mokapi wrote:
They are still canines which rely on feeling people out to avoid confrontation. Reading the oponent and knowing when to stop before something crosses the line is a HUGE point for jackals.


IMO, that's a general rule for any possible altercation...for anybody xD I'm very good at reading people in general, and though I do toe people's breaking points often, it's usually for my own amusement and if I cross them and things are taken too far, I excel at turning it into something that's ~*~not that big of a deal~*~. And this, from the analysis:

You have a tendency to open your mouth where you shouldn’t. Calling that armed, big and angry looking gang of black guys gay mommy’s kids is a bad. idea. Whatever you might think.

Is something that I can definitely relate to as well. As long as I know I can get out of any real trouble/harm, I don't mind.


I would not agree that everybody is aware of breaking points. xD People are mostly clueless idiots. From how you described yourself in your RA, you seemed more --I don't want to say out of control, but more explosive?
You say:
Another thing I've been called is a firecracker, though I think they were referring to my short fuse and ridiculous temper

I have a very short fuse and a very long burning time after the explosion- even little things set me off. I am typically underestimated because of my size, but it only takes one time of seeing me frustrated or furious for someone to learn to avoid me like the plague when I am angry. I have a long recovery period as well.

...I'm too lazy to go on, but jackals aren't explosive like that. They are generally snippy and grumpy, but RAWRRAWRAWRAW. That sounds much more like a small mammal kind of reaction.

All wild canines are experts at keeping social tension to the minimum. A canine that relies on teamwork with its packmates absolutly has to learn to avoid big social conflicts.


Jackals live in single pairs, though? And only hunt in groups to take down larger prey- I could have sworn that was how it works. And according to wiki:

It is the most aggressive of the jackals, having been known to singly attack animals many times its own weight, and has more quarrelsome intra-pack relationships[11]

^being said of the black-backed. That's something that could explain my more aggressive behavior and why I don't turn-tail even when I should.


Jackals are pretty flexible, but most live with 'helpers' i.e. juveniles from previous litters who don't breed but help out with the family. If you youtube "Home Helpers: Jackals" or something like that, you can see a preview of what I mean (its pay to watch though )': ) And though they have been known to singly attack, they rarely do. Actually, I belive BBJ's diets are something like 46% veggie matter. Also, aggression and predatory behavior aren't really realated. Aggression is generally intraspecies and predation is a totally different brain circuit. BBJ's are more quarrelsome in the pack, but again quarrels are a part of maintaining stability, not explosions of anger.

Now, would you say that you are in an unhealthy state as a person? Are you emotionally stable? The unhealthy points and the analysis talk about the animal when the person is in a bad place. An emotionally healthy person can't settle as an unhealthy animal. Make sense?

I sorta re-read your analysis and I still don't really see jackal. I get a much stronger small mammal vibe. I hope you don't see that as an insult or anything, cuz its not. (LOL you're such a small mammal. Go get caught in a mouse trap >:D ) I honestly don't get canine at all. Your sense of hierarchy is off (despite being not very social, jackals are very hierarchical), and I believe you are still iffy on monogamy? Like I said in your RA, the one mate thing is one of the big things jacks are known for (the other being death).
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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby acciobadger » Fri May 21, 2010 2:37 pm

I hope you don't mind me asking questions.
I've never felt for Tae to have a different form, not for a long while, but since coming here, I feel a need to explore my options.

I've read in the Daemon Forum about how to create a Reverse Analysis, but I'm afraid I don't understand how quite yet.

If possible, could someone help me understand? I want to learn, and be able to grasp it.

Also, if a Daemon has been named, can he/she be re-named?
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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby Stop.turning.blue. » Fri May 21, 2010 2:41 pm

While I don't have time to chime in all points, Mokapi - if your even the least bit iffy on monogamy jackals aren't for you. It's sort of the same as saying your a wolf but not social. :P It's one of the more unique, and decisive points of jackals.

I agree wholeheartidly about what Kate has tried to explain to you - and from what I've vaguely skimmed I'm going to scoot you to civets.


And you seem to seriously lack the ego. :P You grounded person you. -preens and flaunts his awesome over everyone-
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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby Cinereus » Fri May 21, 2010 2:44 pm

Gaiinawolf wrote:
I hope you don't mind me asking questions.
I've never felt for Tae to have a different form, not for a long while, but since coming here, I feel a need to explore my options.

I've read in the Daemon Forum about how to create a Reverse Analysis, but I'm afraid I don't understand how quite yet.

If possible, could someone help me understand? I want to learn, and be able to grasp it.

Also, if a Daemon has been named, can he/she be re-named?


The best way to go about an RA is to fill out a template, of which you have many choices. ^^ You then post your RA and people will compare your answers to animals they know and give you suggestions on places to look. If you don't want to join TDF quite yet, you can post your RA here and one of us would be able to post it for you over there if you'd like. That would give you more suggestions.

And yes, your daemon can be renamed as many times as you like. ^^
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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby acciobadger » Fri May 21, 2010 2:46 pm

Alright, thank you, that helps a lot. I'll go fill one out now. ^^
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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby mokapi » Fri May 21, 2010 2:57 pm

Aureus wrote:...I'm too lazy to go on, but jackals aren't explosive like that. They are generally snippy and grumpy, but RAWRRAWRAWRAW. That sounds much more like a small mammal kind of reaction.


It's really difficult to explain, and that's probably the main reason why you can't see why I connect with the jackal, but I definitely think I can. XD Basically, my RAWRAWRAWR mainly occurs where/when I won't get into an all-out altercation about it (or where numbers/conditions are completely in my favor), and anything little and annoying that someone does is met with a snide (snippy? xD) comment, or perhaps something sarcastic. It really depends on the situation and the person that said it.

Jackals are pretty flexible, but most live with 'helpers' i.e. juveniles from previous litters who don't breed but help out with the family. If you youtube "Home Helpers: Jackals" or something like that, you can see a preview of what I mean (its pay to watch though )': )


Those helpers are from prior litters, aka family members. I'm tolerant of people I consider family, and yes, I would count them in my "hierarchy". >.O Which, granted, is a little skewed, but to be honest i don't expect to find an animal that fits me 100%. Just because I see myself as pretty dominant (and not in the general hierarchy with my peers) doesn't mean I don't think everyone else has one. The whole dominant pair with everyone else below would be exactly how my hierarchy would be if I actively had one. xP

And though they have been known to singly attack, they rarely do. Actually, I belive BBJ's diets are something like 46% veggie matter. BBJ's are more quarrelsome in the pack, but again quarrels are a part of maintaining stability, not explosions of anger.


Like I said, I don't usually attack something by myself if I feel that it's a big threat. Don't jackals (maybe just goldens) kill foxes- something smaller than them? However, the black-backed also "dominate [side-striped] in direct encounters", even though side-striped jackals are smaller (i'm sure you already know this; it's just easier for me to write as I go XD). Something else (that I'm just personally interpreting) I read was that black-backs typically go for the throat, whereas goldens go for the belly- another aspect of how they fight, perhaps? Also, I relate to the maintaining stability as well: You’re very aggressive and have no qualms showing those you consider ‘lower’ than you their rightful place. If someone I feel is below me tries to get testy, I definitely bite back. Some things HAVE to have order, LOL.

Now, would you say that you are in an unhealthy state as a person? Are you emotionally stable? The unhealthy points and the analysis talk about the animal when the person is in a bad place. An emotionally healthy person can't settle as an unhealthy animal. Make sense?


Yep, makes perfect sense. However, I am -generally- seen as an ass, though I can usually make people have second thoughts if I try. I'd consider myself to be in an "unhealthy" state more often than not, but looking at the "healthy" points (really am looking, hold on...~)

►This is not visible to those who aren’t nice to you, but you follow those who show you kindness like a dog. You’re an extremely grateful person and might appear uncharacteristically submissive towards them. Some might argue this is because you expect more hand-outs but you would probably disagree. (This is only when I'm in a peak of a good mood, or the person who was "nice" to me is a friend.)
► People see you as useful, friendly and amiable. (Yes. And more productive.)
► And admire you for the love you give to your special someone. (Yes. Every time someone sees us, they say something about it. We're the only ~*~remaining~*~ couple out of all of our mutual friends.)
► In this respect, people might even use you as the ‘good example’. And hey, they wouldn’t be all too wrong. A healthy jackal soul isn’t the type of person to shame their parents and friends. (Good thing it says "In this respect", which I take to mean the relationship.)
► You’re seen as highly intelligent and clever. People ask you if they don’t know something (and, since you’re a healthy jackal, you won’t laugh them off, either.) (Definitely.)

Seems that they fit pretty well; I'm a little iffy on the first one though.

I sorta re-read your analysis and I still don't really see jackal. I get a much stronger small mammal vibe. I hope you don't see that as an insult or anything, cuz its not. (LOL you're such a small mammal. Go get caught in a mouse trap >:D ) I honestly don't get canine at all. Your sense of hierarchy is off (despite being not very social, jackals are very hierarchical), and I believe you are still iffy on monogamy? Like I said in your RA, the one mate thing is one of the big things jacks are known for (the other being death).


Only problem with that is that I looked at basically every single "small mammal", and every spiny thing, the skunk, the wild cats, the wild dogs, the mustelids, the dasyurids, rats, possums, mice, squirrels, the mongooses, the kangaroos, the snakes, most of the treethings, several frogs, a lot of the birds- basically everything- and nothing fit me as well as the jackal. You may not see it, but I definitely do. xD I'm having others read it as well; there's only a few people I feel like I can tell about Les in general, though, but when I get the three opinions back I'll feel a bit better about it. And of course I'll keep researching it. ^^;

OH, and the monogamous thing is one reason why I like the jackals so much, LOL. I'm a faithful partner. In the past, I'd have to say I wasn't, but I've definitely matured in that aspect. My polygamous aspects were involving closeness of friends, plans/career choices, loyalty (a lack thereof to everyone but Mitchell and my dad, really), and my approach to long-term friendships.

Anyway, of course I plan to keep looking at other forms. I have six more tabs open right now with various creatures XD The jackal, though, is what we're gonna work with right now.

@stop.turning.blue- Civets are a no. Already looked ^^; And as for ego, I'm arrogant. It's my first point on my Lumi RA. XD
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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby JadeiteWren » Fri May 21, 2010 2:58 pm

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Gaiinawolf wrote:
I hope you don't mind me asking questions.
I've never felt for Tae to have a different form, not for a long while, but since coming here, I feel a need to explore my options.

I've read in the Daemon Forum about how to create a Reverse Analysis, but I'm afraid I don't understand how quite yet.

If possible, could someone help me understand? I want to learn, and be able to grasp it.

Also, if a Daemon has been named, can he/she be re-named?


The best way to go about an RA is to fill out a template, of which you have many choices. ^^ You then post your RA and people will compare your answers to animals they know and give you suggestions on places to look. If you don't want to join TDF quite yet, you can post your RA here and one of us would be able to post it for you over there if you'd like. That would give you more suggestions.

And yes, your daemon can be renamed as many times as you like. ^^


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Re: The Daemian Union (TDU) (Posting open! Welcome!)

Postby Hyaenidae » Fri May 21, 2010 3:07 pm

How did you find all of your daemon's name? I'm just trying to string together random syllables, to be honest XD Is that how you are supposed to do it? Or am I supposed to use one that's important to me? I don't even know, man.
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