FR Chat V. 44

[Sarcastic Hawke]

Hey guys, I have a question and I'm not sure where I stand on this. Hoping I can get some advice.

Long story short, I purchased a dragon with a bunch of art in his bio. After messaging the original seller of the dragon so that I could try and find the artists who'd drawn each piece (as they had not been credited at all originally), I finally managed to find the artists myself. I paid 2kg for him and the art together, and after a day or so I took the art out of the dragon's bio to save for another (replacement) dragon. I then put the tundra back up on the AH without his art because I'd decided I had no intentions of keeping the dragon himself, only the art he came with. Nowhere in his bio did I say that he was being sold with any of it; none of it was linked to or displayed.

Yesterday I received a PM from the original owner, stating that they had purchased the dragon again "to refund me for him" and "restored his bio" with all the art that I had bought with him. However, I had purchased both the Tundra AND his art from them, and had not requested a refund or anything similar. I do not mind if they wish to keep the Tundra, as I HAD put him back up for sale. But I had ONLY put HIM up for sale, not the art. As such I do not believe that they have the ownership of that art anymore.

Am I wrong? I am just unsure of everything at the moment and would like some advice.

[Mozzy.]

Hey guys, I have a question and I'm not sure where I stand on this. Hoping I can get some advice.

Long story short, I purchased a dragon with a bunch of art in his bio. After messaging the original seller of the dragon so that I could try and find the artists who'd drawn each piece (as they had not been credited at all originally), I finally managed to find the artists myself. I paid 2kg for him and the art together, and after a day or so I took the art out of the dragon's bio to save for another (replacement) dragon. I then put the tundra back up on the AH without his art because I'd decided I had no intentions of keeping the dragon himself, only the art he came with. Nowhere in his bio did I say that he was being sold with any of it; none of it was linked to or displayed.

Yesterday I received a PM from the original owner, stating that they had purchased the dragon again "to refund me for him" and "restored his bio" with all the art that I had bought with him. However, I had purchased both the Tundra AND his art from them, and had not requested a refund or anything similar. I do not mind if they wish to keep the Tundra, as I HAD put him back up for sale. But I had ONLY put HIM up for sale, not the art. As such I do not believe that they have the ownership of that art anymore.

Am I wrong? I am just unsure of everything at the moment and would like some advice.

I would say since you bought the art with the dragon, whatever was in his bio is now yours.
You paid for it, so you get to keep it. Especially since dragons with art tend to sell for more to compensate the price of the art itself.
I would politely message the buyer and explain that since the art was removed from the bio it's no longer attached to the dragon, and it wasn't to be sold with the dragon. I'm assuming that you sold the dragon at a lower price?
If they argue, you could try and report them but I'm not sure how helpful the FR Mods will be.

I've bought dragons only to buy the art attached to them but never had a problem once the dragon was resold.

[Sarcastic Hawke]

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I would say since you bought the art with the dragon, whatever was in his bio is now yours.
You paid for it, so you get to keep it. Especially since dragons with art tend to sell for more to compensate the price of the art itself.
I would politely message the buyer and explain that since the art was removed from the bio it's no longer attached to the dragon, and it wasn't to be sold with the dragon. I'm assuming that you sold the dragon at a lower price?
If they argue, you could try and report them but I'm not sure how helpful the FR Mods will be.

I've bought dragons only to buy the art attached to them but never had a problem once the dragon was resold.

I put the dragon back up for the original price, thinking I wouldn't get a buyer and have to lower it once the first 7 days had passed. He was a bred double G1 with matching eyes, so I was hoping MAYBE someone would be tempted by that and pay 2kg for him anyway. Then I could fund the genes for my replacement dragon.

Like you said, I've never had a problem buying dragons with art and reselling the dragon without them before. No one's EVER complained to me about it, or bought the dragon back and slapped the art back in. I've had people buy my art dragons and exalt/sell them without the art too and I don't care; once it leaves my account it isn't mine anymore and theirs to do with as they wish. At least that was my understanding?

I have indeed messaged the original seller but they stated that I was "only buying him for his art" and that "since they paid me back by buying him again we're square" and that they still had the rights to the art. So they refuse to remove the art. Hopefully the FR mods are helpful? I've sent a help ticket just now explaining what's going on with relevant links.

[LissaJo]

free snoot to a non exalt home please - comes with some amazing art

not sure who he originally came from, pretty sure he was snagged for free but Im not in love with him anymore

he has a new home, thanks!

[Wired]

free snoot to a non exalt home please - comes with some amazing art

not sure who he originally came from, pretty sure he was snagged for free but Im not in love with him anymore

i'll take him! i need a cute ridgie.
my user is savannahicara

[Fizzy-Pop]

Fizzy is selling these dragons! Please give them good homes! All Christmas and new year dragons!











The prices are changeable! Also willing to accept CS pets, Apparel or art as payment! and even swap dragons! I am currently looking for a piebald/paint/opal dragons to help my new koi hatchery! Which needs members right now! Here is the hatchery!
http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/baz/1773098

Willing to swap these dragons for dragons with piebald/paint genes! They are my weakness!

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[rainbowpanda101]

My art shop on FR is open for gem payments!

Example of what I offer:

[Solidagold]

Hey guys I'm looking to #buying some last WL lions

I am willing to pay 220g each :> or 1 nocturne/light egg


Please send a trade if you'd like to sell any of these guys to me! :')

[~ t r o u b l e ~]

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I would say since you bought the art with the dragon, whatever was in his bio is now yours.
You paid for it, so you get to keep it. Especially since dragons with art tend to sell for more to compensate the price of the art itself.
I would politely message the buyer and explain that since the art was removed from the bio it's no longer attached to the dragon, and it wasn't to be sold with the dragon. I'm assuming that you sold the dragon at a lower price?
If they argue, you could try and report them but I'm not sure how helpful the FR Mods will be.

I've bought dragons only to buy the art attached to them but never had a problem once the dragon was resold.

I put the dragon back up for the original price, thinking I wouldn't get a buyer and have to lower it once the first 7 days had passed. He was a bred double G1 with matching eyes, so I was hoping MAYBE someone would be tempted by that and pay 2kg for him anyway. Then I could fund the genes for my replacement dragon.

Like you said, I've never had a problem buying dragons with art and reselling the dragon without them before. No one's EVER complained to me about it, or bought the dragon back and slapped the art back in. I've had people buy my art dragons and exalt/sell them without the art too and I don't care; once it leaves my account it isn't mine anymore and theirs to do with as they wish. At least that was my understanding?

I have indeed messaged the original seller but they stated that I was "only buying him for his art" and that "since they paid me back by buying him again we're square" and that they still had the rights to the art. So they refuse to remove the art. Hopefully the FR mods are helpful? I've sent a help ticket just now explaining what's going on with relevant links.

I do agree that you have rights to that art. Just because you sold it for the same price does not mean that they still have rights to the art.
If you buy a house and it's fully furnished and you decide later to sell the house but move the furniture to your new house, then the original owner of the house comes back to buy it unfurnished (even at a similar price) then they have no right to the furniture or anything in the house orginially sold to them.
Not sure how the mods handle art situations, but I know art theft/ownership is a serious issue on the internet. I would even possibly contact the original artists and see if they will give you full rights, but that may not be helpful since this person doesn't seem logical.

[DarkDutchess]

looking to buy a set of 2017 store pet griffins with treasure and gems