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Re: TRT "Free Speech" Club and Discussion

Postby Patch. » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:59 pm

Topiratti wrote:And also, it's not like anyone follows some of the more simpler rules, like not to rant about NFT/NEFT pets/groups that are open to offers. I could care less if your rules indicate to not offer on a NFT/NEFT pet, but if its in an open group, then anyone can offer on them, regardless if they're NFT, don't want offers, lock it, I don't like reading the TRT and seeing you complain about someone offing on pets that are in an open group, and are not for trade. If players want to see your collection, they can view it.


      Bless this freaking post.
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      Thank you! Thank you! This gets on my last nerves. xD

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Postby Z4XX0N » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:33 pm

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    Do you agree that the no-reply rule should be removed?
    I do, but I believe that the rule should be placed with something a little more lenient, compared to what was there before.

    Brief NOPE description of your stance:
    I do understand why the rule was put into place, but I think that all in all, it's far too strict. Just an outright "no replying" rule is rather illogical, especially if the ranter is breaking a rule themselves. For example, badmouthing the user that they're ranting about, or posting about not for trade pets. And if you want to get technical, the definition of a forum is "a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged". This thread is a part of a forum, but the lack of communication on the Trade Rant Thread renders it virtually useless. It's a place where no one wishes to be, since a lack of communication and the overabundance of negativity drives users away. The thread should be a place where we share our experiences, but it should also be a place where others learn from their mistakes. For example, someone (not a whole group of users) correcting them on a trade, or pulling them up when they've broken a rule.

    Though, like others have said, the short messages of "that sucks!" and things like that were one of the contributing factors as to why the rule was put into place. I think if the rule was removed, people would be more active, and essentially friendlier on the thread, due to the fact you get some people on there going "OMG YOU BROKE A RULE!!!!!" and breaking a rule themselves, which pulls in more users, correcting that user on breaking a rule, and so on. Reporting a rule breaker is perfectly fine, but surely the mods get sick and tired of having to remove/edit posts ever so often on that thread. If a similar, but more lenient rule was put into play (something along the lines of replying to another's post has to be 7 words or more, for example), it would give the moderators less work, as players are also able to help keep the thread as clean as possible. As far as I'm aware, users don't get notified on when their post is edited by a mod and why, so they wouldn't know when they've done something wrong. Whereas, we read other's posts, and if someone DID pull the offender (dramatic word) up, they're more likely to see that post, as opposed to their own.

    I'm more reluctant to post on the thread now, and I am sure it is the same with many others. To me, the TRT seems like a place that is essentially all "throw all your negativity here and let's pretend that never happened", which I don't think is very good at all.

    I think too, back when the rule wasn't in play, the thread was used as a place for scammers to be picked out, and sort of like a signal boosting place, to give others a heads up on what was going on. It was also a place where users came to learn their rarities (I learnt quite a bit about trading from that thread, saved me from being chewed out by a few angry users), and honestly, I've always preferred it over the FTT. It's TRT where most people got corrected for the wrong information, and I'm sure many of us have experienced (or seen) incorrect information being passed on through other threads.

    Like I said earlier, if wrongdoings were able to be corrected, the mods would have less work to do. I mean, the bringing in of the rule gave me the impression that they didn't know what to do to stop the issue. The use of a more lenient rule and better communication with members would allow them to not have to watch the thread as closely, and correct so much on it.

    It wouldn't just be better for us, it'd be better for the staff, too.
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Re: TRT "Free Speech" Club and Discussion

Postby Topiratti » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:36 pm

Patch. wrote:
Topiratti wrote:And also, it's not like anyone follows some of the more simpler rules, like not to rant about NFT/NEFT pets/groups that are open to offers. I could care less if your rules indicate to not offer on a NFT/NEFT pet, but if its in an open group, then anyone can offer on them, regardless if they're NFT, don't want offers, lock it, I don't like reading the TRT and seeing you complain about someone offing on pets that are in an open group, and are not for trade. If players want to see your collection, they can view it.


      Bless this freaking post.
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      Thank you! Thank you! This gets on my last nerves. xD

      /er...shutting up.


I read the TRT and someone was ranting about those NFT groups -.-

Overpay, underpay, fair pay, if your ranting about an open NFT group, your breaking a rule >.<

Also, I loved when we were able to reply to a trade rant. Especially if you agree with them. It's not like we were using offensive words, we agreed to what was being said, especially if occurred to us too.
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Re: TRT "Free Speech" Club and Discussion

Postby billie eilish » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:37 pm

Beguile, you genius. I had the same thing in mind ; a compromise.
I just didn't know how to put it. Thanks so much for that post.
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Re: TRT "Free Speech" Club and Discussion

Postby RavenclawHobbit » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:49 pm

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Do you agree that the no-reply rule should be removed?
Strongly Agree
Brief description of your stance:
I feel as if the entire point of the TRT is to get things off your chest, and share the frustration of difficult traders with other people who understand. It gives us a more positive venue for our irritation rather than being discourteous in the cancel message or something similar. I miss the sense of community we had in the "old" TRT, and although I agree that the spam and rulebreaking were getting out of hand before the rule was implemented, that is what the report button is for. And the new rule has not stopped rule infractions from being posted either, I still see them all the time.
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Re: TRT "Free Speech" Club and Discussion

Postby Jiloon » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:55 pm

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Do you agree that the no-reply rule should be removed? Yes!
Brief description of your stance: Well I didn't even know for a month that we weren't allowed to reply, since the last few threads we had been allowed to, and I still saw a fair amount of people replying, but when I replied to one with a rant of my own that was relevant, I was warned... I was confused but there the rule was. Now I think that we should definitely get that privilege back, but maybe under certain rules to appease the mods? Like if we were allowed to reply, but no dissing or just "Oh my eyes >.<" kinda thing unless we also have a trade to rant about that is either a totally separate rant or a relevant trade example. I don't know if this could happen, but I really want to be able to reply again!
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Postby Z4XX0N » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:00 pm

kristatheepic wrote:Beguile, you genius. I had the same thing in mind ; a compromise.
I just didn't know how to put it. Thanks so much for that post.


    Not a problem at all. Great minds think alike, hmm?

    I think the reason that the staff would be unwilling to remove the rule would be because if a compromise wasn't made, there's a possibility that the thread would go back to what it used to be, which would just make them reimplement the rule. Just outright removing the rule wouldn't be the best idea; though users have become more mature, there's new users coming in, who would break the rules, like I'm sure we all have. An alternate rule would probably be the best option.
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Re: TRT "Free Speech" Club and Discussion

Postby delete, » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:30 pm

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do you agree that the no-reply rule should be removed?
yes. very much.
Brief description of your stance; (
the rule just seems really annoying. you can't reply to anything- even if it's something important.
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Re: TRT "Free Speech" Club and Discussion

Postby Nari UwU » Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:36 pm

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Do you agree that the no-reply rule should be removed?
Yes, or edited, at least

Brief description of your stance:
The thread, now that you can't reply, seems like more unnapproachable, if that makes any sense at all, without the ability to reply. It used to be that you could comment on it, and discuss the trades, but now it is more of a "Write your thing and move along" kind of thing. There is no community there anymore.

If the rule isn't trashed altogether, which I think would probably end up being a bad thing in the long run, then perhaps edited to where you have to reply with something relevant and adding to the conversation, and/or posting a rant of your own
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Re: TRT "Free Speech" Club and Discussion

Postby lucifer morningstar » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:55 pm

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Do I think the rule should be changed? Yes.
Brief Description: I also agree that the people who have been doing most of the spamming and fighting has probably learned their lesson. I also think that if mods are on and deleting the replies already, they can simply delete any spam or fight posts. Onto why I am for it; I really liked the sense of community on the old threads (if that makes sense). It also bothers me when I go to explain someone's reasons for something from their or my view, but I can't. Example: they misunderstood something or suggested something nearly impossible. It happens a lot and I always want to comment. Commenting simply helped that feeling of community or showing support for a fellow CS member. Granted, there would still have to be rules about fights and spam, but I believe we could find a way to cut down fights and spam posts without taking away the communication factor.
....If any of that makes sense. cx I'm super tired, so I'm sorry if nothing made any sense. If you have a question you're more than welcome to PM me. c: Anyway, that's my contribution. C:
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