LORD OF THE RINGS!!!

[Bilbo Baggins.]

I didn't like Thorin because he was willing to go to war and kill people over some stupid wealth, when he could have just gone and given the people what they wanted. I mean, seriously, he didn't need all of that! Also he got super mad at Bilbo because Bilbo tried to make peace. Oooohh, horrible crime, right? Not trying to offend anyone, I just think that is being rather greedy and corrupt. Rather like a modern-day politician. (that was meant as a joke, in case anyone took it seriously)

[polerberr]

I didn't like Thorin because he was willing to go to war and kill people over some stupid wealth, when he could have just gone and given the people what they wanted. I mean, seriously, he didn't need all of that! Also he got super mad at Bilbo because Bilbo tried to make peace. Oooohh, horrible crime, right? Not trying to offend anyone, I just think that is being rather greedy and corrupt. Rather like a modern-day politician. (that was meant as a joke, in case anyone took it seriously)

Lol modern day politician =P

But, anyway. The treasure was not stupid by any means, not to Thorin at least. This treasure had more meaning to him than just wealth, it belongs to his family and his ancestors, it was unmercifully taken by a dragon, which killed many friends and other dwarves living in Dale, destroying the entire city in all it's glory. They did nothing to deserve this, they couldn't have seen it coming, so you can only imagine the feelings Thorin was going through. How much this mission and this treasure meant to him, especially with the heart of a Dwarf, because we all know how much they love their treasure, not to mention the power and enchantment a hoard of treasure can cause.

He went through so much to get this treasure. The stress of being responsible for an entire company of Dwarves (and a hobbit), while having to put up with trolls, goblins, wargs, giant spiders and wood elves isn't exactly something you get over the moment you reach the mountain. It would all have built up the meaning this treasure has to him, because he had to go through so much to get to it. Then all because of a misunderstanding from the wood elves and the blind anger of the lake town people, he suddenly finds them demanding a share of this treasure he worked so hard for. Yes, I agree he could have given some to the people of Lake Town, who's town was sacrificed in order to slay Smaug, but that could all have been arranged in a different manner at a different time. The way they approached it was just bad timing which wasn't fully thought through. And the wood elves had no reason to demand a share, other than some greed on behalf of their king. Smaug did not damage anything belonging to them. If anything, they wood elves should be repaying the dwarves.

Yeah he got mad at Bilbo about the Arkenstone. But heck, I would have done too! xD Thorin honestly did not see the good that would come out of this. He was under so much stress, he wasn't capable of seeing that, and I don't blame him. I doubt there are many people who could, if they were in the exact same situation, after going through the exact same circumstances. When making an opinion about a character, always try to step into their shoes. Try to understand their feelings and their situation, it makes it so much more clear whether a character is truly bad, or just in a difficult situation.

Eh... Long reply is long because I have too much free time right now XD

[garnet.]

I need help guyss!!
Which pair do you think would suit Merry and Pippin more?


Dark Faced PPS & Light Faced PPS

OR


Red Aussie/Sheepdog PPS & Blue Aussie/Sheepdog PPS

[Bilbo Baggins.]

I didn't like Thorin because he was willing to go to war and kill people over some stupid wealth, when he could have just gone and given the people what they wanted. I mean, seriously, he didn't need all of that! Also he got super mad at Bilbo because Bilbo tried to make peace. Oooohh, horrible crime, right? Not trying to offend anyone, I just think that is being rather greedy and corrupt. Rather like a modern-day politician. (that was meant as a joke, in case anyone took it seriously)

Lol modern day politician =P

But, anyway. The treasure was not stupid by any means, not to Thorin at least. This treasure had more meaning to him than just wealth, it belongs to his family and his ancestors, it was unmercifully taken by a dragon, which killed many friends and other dwarves living in Dale, destroying the entire city in all it's glory. They did nothing to deserve this, they couldn't have seen it coming, so you can only imagine the feelings Thorin was going through. How much this mission and this treasure meant to him, especially with the heart of a Dwarf, because we all know how much they love their treasure, not to mention the power and enchantment a hoard of treasure can cause.

He went through so much to get this treasure. The stress of being responsible for an entire company of Dwarves (and a hobbit), while having to put up with trolls, goblins, wargs, giant spiders and wood elves isn't exactly something you get over the moment you reach the mountain. It would all have built up the meaning this treasure has to him, because he had to go through so much to get to it. Then all because of a misunderstanding from the wood elves and the blind anger of the lake town people, he suddenly finds them demanding a share of this treasure he worked so hard for. Yes, I agree he could have given some to the people of Lake Town, who's town was sacrificed in order to slay Smaug, but that could all have been arranged in a different manner at a different time. The way they approached it was just bad timing which wasn't fully thought through. And the wood elves had no reason to demand a share, other than some greed on behalf of their king. Smaug did not damage anything belonging to them. If anything, they wood elves should be repaying the dwarves.

Yeah he got mad at Bilbo about the Arkenstone. But heck, I would have done too! xD Thorin honestly did not see the good that would come out of this. He was under so much stress, he wasn't capable of seeing that, and I don't blame him. I doubt there are many people who could, if they were in the exact same situation, after going through the exact same circumstances. When making an opinion about a character, always try to step into their shoes. Try to understand their feelings and their situation, it makes it so much more clear whether a character is truly bad, or just in a difficult situation.

Eh... Long reply is long because I have too much free time right now XD

That is all very true. All the same, was it really,really worth going to war? He could have peacefully negotiated with them. Although that would have killed the story...Anyway, I didn't like Thorin. He acted like he was so above everyone else, which irritates me more than anything, and he made some pretty corrupt choices that resulted in his death. Not. Smart. XD
He did apologize to Bilbo in the end though, so he wasn't all bad, but...I don't know, he just irritated me.

[polerberr]

I admit Thorin irritated me the first time I read the book, but after reading it for the fourth time with more understanding, I have come to like his character. Though he is not my favorite dwarf, he does what he has to do. He makes mistakes, but like I said, it is the circumstances in which he was in that gives me the ability to forgive him for doing what he did.

I hope we get to see more of the dwarves' character in the movies than we did in the books, though. ^^

[SamhokuFoopets]

I need help guyss!!
Which pair do you think would suit Merry and Pippin more?


Dark Faced PPS & Light Faced PPS

OR


Red Aussie/Sheepdog PPS & Blue Aussie/Sheepdog PPS

I think the Sheep dogs would be best.

[garnet.]

Okay thanks!

[SamhokuFoopets]

No problamo.

[Tom Bombadil]

Thorin never actually did anything mean or harmful, did he? Like, Saruman and Denethor and Wormtongue are worse!

i hated Wormtongue.

I even had a bizarre dream with Wormtongue as the villain in it!
(Want me to share that dream?)

i did like Thorin though. He was very loyal to the other dwarves and i can't blame him for being angry someone stole an almost-sacred heirloom like the Arkenstone.

(On another note-Still don't get how and why Wormtongue was even IN one of my dreams!!)

[Guest]

I need help guyss!!
Which pair do you think would suit Merry and Pippin more?


Dark Faced PPS & Light Faced PPS

OR


Red Aussie/Sheepdog PPS & Blue Aussie/Sheepdog PPS

I think the Sheep dogs would be best.

I think the Dark Faced PPS & Light Faced PPS is better