COMMUNITY POLL: Rare Monthly Pets

[Flicka]

For those agreeing, how often do you guys actually trade for the high demand rares? Because in my experience almost everyone wants over-pay for a pet that is simply a rare. It makes actual trading a nightmare, and considering the new trade values we’re still trying to recalibrate from that to trade semi-fairly. Even if we didn’t have that ALOT of members don’t know pet values and do not send fair trades again staggering the amount of actual acceptable trades. I don’t want more then what we normally get yearly for this reason. If you aren’t far on your pet wl, I can tell you once you hit a certain point in it that you see few trades. Much fewer that are fair and will actually help you decrease your wl.

[mariahwhy]

I really think it is too soon from the rarity change to be considering this option, because we still haven't seen the complete effects of the rarity change. Perhaps I am the only one and just got really unlucky this month, but I'm already seeing more harder to achieve pets. This would make sense given the new rarity distribution we were shown.



Before there was much less chance of there being a rare in a litter than a common. Now the chances are almost exactly the same. The new rarity system in and of itself has implemented more harder to achieve outcomes (uncommons and up). I think adding even more rares on top of this will really skew the system towards rare, which 1)takes away the meaning of rare and 2)would drive away a lot of players, because the ease of access of MOST of the outcomes is what keeps people coming back. Yes, it gets boring if it's too easy, but it will just be utterly frustrating to keep missing out on outcomes.

I would bet that completionists make up a lot of the player base, and you would lose a lot of those people once they start being unable to keep up with keeping a completed collection.

[huskyhiccups]

Before there was much less chance of there being a rare in a litter than a common. Now the chances are almost exactly the same. The new rarity system in and of itself has implemented more harder to achieve outcomes (uncommons and up). I think adding even more rares on top of this will really skew the system towards rare, which 1)takes away the meaning of rare and 2)would drive away a lot of players, because the ease of access of MOST of the outcomes is what keeps people coming back. Yes, it gets boring if it's too easy, but it will just be utterly frustrating to keep missing out on outcomes.

I would bet that completionists make up a lot of the player base, and you would lose a lot of those people once they start being unable to keep up with keeping a completed collection.

Ditto / echoing this! ^
I really don't think rare monthly pets is a good idea. :(

[odin]

Nah, I have a hard enough time swapping for normal monthlies. I HATE when there's an outcome more rare than the rest because you have to significantly overpay to get it.

[BlueEyedKite]

There is no "right" opinion, it's just an opinion.

I support this idea, but I don't assume we'll all get a rare. I just think that trading for them would be fun, and if you are lucky enough to get one in a litter it would be exciting. A lot of people nowadays log on only for events, and nothing else. The site is pretty dead for the rest of the time. Something like this could bring people to log on more often.

I also support the other idea mentioned on this thread to release URs in the same way that Zebras are released, I think that could also help boost activity on the site.

Exactly. I love litter swapping and trading, and it would make CS more fun when there isn’t an event going on. Of course not everyone is going to get a rare, that’s now how rares work

The thing is though it's not going to be litter swapping for this rare pet. The rest of the pets in its litter will be a lesser rarity so it wouldn't be fair to litter swap for it. It will be regular trades for any few posted to the monthly swap thread and whatever trades being sent will have to compete with demand. What do you think users will expect as payment for their brand new rare outcome very few users have? :c



There was a user that suggested extremely low odds of pulling a UR pet in monthly litters, that's my vote if it were an option. No opportunity for hoarding or the big green greed wave to come rolling when those special pets drop so incredibly small. And yet we'll still have more URs that could possibly go in circulation.

[Sashtato]

There was a user that suggested extremely low odds of pulling a UR pet in monthly litters, that's my vote if it were an option. No opportunity for hoarding or the big green greed wave to come rolling when those special pets drop so incredibly small. And yet we'll still have more URs that could possibly go in circulation.

Kinda going off something you said here:

I wonder if CS would ever consider making a rule about hoarding non-store rare+ pets. Because I do see that as contributing to some of the problems with trading. Maybe not hugely, but a bit. Like, no more than 3 or 4 of the same rare+ or something like that (I don’t know what amount would be reasonable). That would help keep things in circulation.

Edit to add: I don’t necessarily have a strong opinion either way about hoarding rares. It annoys me but I understand and respect that players paid for and sought after them. This is just a theoretical thought about something that I wonder about whether or not would change the trading market at all.

Also, this is unrelated to my above thoughts, I see a lot of people talking about not wanting rares because users are going to expect overpay for them. Would that be the case though if getting rares was a regular occurrence? Because my observation so far has been that those harder to achieve outcomes are driven up by demand because they’re unexpected. Litters almost never have above common outcomes when they’re very first released so for there to randomly be one that’s rarer, yeah, I can see people going crazy for that.

However, if users knew that it was typical for some litters to have a rare, I imagine they would start to lose that surprise novelty and would start being treated like regular rares.

I would also hope that if more rares were added that their designs wouldn’t stray too far from the rest of the litter they’re a part of, because those extremely unique outcomes I think also makes the demand for them so high. Thinking of the august pps in this example - I believe demand would have still be very high for it if it turned out to be uncommon, or even lower. The design is so sought after that that too drives up demand for it. I imagine a lot of people would have been trying to create large hoards of it if wasn’t rare.

Just some thoughts..

[Nicnova]

For those agreeing, how often do you guys actually trade for the high demand rares? Because in my experience almost everyone wants over-pay for a pet that is simply a rare. It makes actual trading a nightmare, and considering the new trade values we’re still trying to recalibrate from that to trade semi-fairly. Even if we didn’t have that ALOT of members don’t know pet values and do not send fair trades again staggering the amount of actual acceptable trades. I don’t want more then what we normally get yearly for this reason. If you aren’t far on your pet wl, I can tell you once you hit a certain point in it that you see few trades. Much fewer that are fair and will actually help you decrease your wl.

Always. I strive for a complete collection, so if I miss a pet, I immediately seek it out. I do overpay some for new rares that everyone is searching for, but I have my limits. For the golden gatcha dog, I traded a 2011 rare. For the 2014 PPS Cocoon, I traded a 2011 rare and 8 C$. For the valentine's lioness I got a fair offer, luckily, and didn't have to overpay at all. For the July Lionness, I traded two 2012 rares back in 2012. There ARE people out there who will trade their pets fairly, or for only a bit of overpay, it just requires some patience.

Also, imo, the problem lies mostly in people who offer stuff like MAs and 08 Rares for new pets. That makes a lot of people expect that much overpay. So I never go that far and simply try to find someone who will accept a more reasonable trade.

[BlueEyedKite]

For those agreeing, how often do you guys actually trade for the high demand rares? Because in my experience almost everyone wants over-pay for a pet that is simply a rare. It makes actual trading a nightmare, and considering the new trade values we’re still trying to recalibrate from that to trade semi-fairly. Even if we didn’t have that ALOT of members don’t know pet values and do not send fair trades again staggering the amount of actual acceptable trades. I don’t want more then what we normally get yearly for this reason. If you aren’t far on your pet wl, I can tell you once you hit a certain point in it that you see few trades. Much fewer that are fair and will actually help you decrease your wl.

Always. I strive for a complete collection, so if I miss a pet, I immediately seek it out. I do overpay some for new rares that everyone is searching for, but I have my limits. For the golden gatcha dog, I traded a 2011 rare. For the 2014 PPS Cocoon, I traded a 2011 rare and 8 C$. For the valentine's lioness I got a fair offer, luckily, and didn't have to overpay at all. For the July Lionness, I traded two 2012 rares back in 2012. There ARE people out there who will trade their pets fairly, or for only a bit of overpay, it just requires some patience.

Also, imo, the problem lies mostly in people who offer stuff like MAs and 08 Rares for new pets. That makes a lot of people expect that much overpay. So I never go that far and simply try to find someone who will accept a more reasonable trade.

I would actually consider what you are offering for those pets, high overpay. Sure it's not MAs and 08 pets but, I see you joined in 2011, so in essence you are trading the oldest pets you adopted for recent rares. What will the newbies trade for these new rare pets? The oldest pets they adopted will be 2023 pets, most likely summer event rares.

I keep circling back to new players as they are the lifeblood to sustaining CS. It's rough starting from scratch right now. I want to avoid situations where newbies see the ugly side to trading: hoarding, ninja trading, overpay. Monthly adopts have been a relatively tame process with only a few uncommon outcomes to seek out. At least leaving the rares for events gives new players the chance at those rares as much as any other player, it's clicking a banner or getting lucky pulling a banner pet.

[Nicnova]

I would actually consider what you are offering for those pets, high overpay. Sure it's not MAs and 08 pets but, I see you joined in 2011, so in essence you are trading the oldest pets you adopted for recent rares. What will the newbies trade for these new rare pets? The oldest pets they adopted will be 2023 pets, most likely summer event rares.

I keep circling back to new players as they are the lifeblood to sustaining CS. It's rough starting from scratch right now. I want to avoid situations where newbies see the ugly side to trading: hoarding, ninja trading, overpay. Monthly adopts have been a relatively tame process with only a few uncommon outcomes to seek out. At least leaving the rares for events gives new players the chance at those rares as much as any other player, it's clicking a banner or getting lucky pulling a banner pet.

Like I said, I do offer some overpay. I am aware that it is overpay. But I also listed examples where I got fair trades. New players have over a decade of Rares/Very Rares/OMGSRs to get (assuming they're going the completionist route). The rares that are just released will only be easier to get than all of those. AND they'll have a chance to adopt them. Even if it's not an event, they still have just as much of a chance to get the pet as any other player. I don't see this affecting new players in any kind of way tbh.

[Lanayru]

Kinda going off something you said here:

I wonder if CS would ever consider making a rule about hoarding non-store rare+ pets. Because I do see that as contributing to some of the problems with trading. Maybe not hugely, but a bit. Like, no more than 3 or 4 of the same rare+ or something like that (I don’t know what amount would be reasonable). That would help keep things in circulation.

Edit to add: I don’t necessarily have a strong opinion either way about hoarding rares. It annoys me but I understand and respect that players paid for and sought after them. This is just a theoretical thought about something that I wonder about whether or not would change the trading market at all.

CS will never arbitrarily outrule a valid, harmless playstyle just because some users have a chip on their shoulder about it; they've explicitly said this in the past.

Regardless, I do not think it'd help to solve much. Past monthly rares have been in high demand due to how much scarcer they appear compared to normal monthlies (when everything is common or uncommon a jump up to genuinely rare feels MASSIVE) which feeds into the crazy demand spike, I don't think hoarding has had much (if any) effect on it.