The Rarity Trade Guide

[Panther202]

This needed to be done. The list has made it so hard for people to get their dream pets.

[Sinbreaker]

Front page cleaned up, though if anyone has any additions/snippets/quotes they would like added please let me know!

[Targaryen]

Thank you.

[Cosmos]

Its to early to say anything but so far the voters seem to be leaning towards 2008-2012.
Some things i've read questions/concerns about

-Will UR's be counted? (Disregarding years)
-Will Store Pets be counted?
-If there is a date cut off, what about specific pets that have high rarity from recent years?
-Comparing Values with OMGSoRares
-Will Dates effect placement/Value?
-Are all VR's going to be added?

I think these should be discussed with the community, as they seem like big steps to getting a general idea of what to put.

I want to give my own input and I encourage others to do the same here.

I believe UR pets should be counted onto the actual list built with all other pets. I know it is hard to determine just how much rarer they are, because year doesn't really tell us how rare they are, but I do not think they should be placed into a separate list (as some others have thought of) or left off completely. They are mostly all OMGSR at this point, it shows they have the value to be considered "rarest" pets on the site (I'm using this term loosely, I hope you all understand what I mean. In other words, they deserve to be on the list itself.) and should be treated like so. As far as store pets, I would leave them to their own list. I am not sure how it would be integrated so people can trade for them using some sort of base or idea of their value in relation to the "normal" rarity list, but I think having a separate list showing the comparison or ladder of how rare they are compared to one another would be a great idea.

I hope to see the raven dog actually be compared in that store list, proving it really is like.. the least rare store list pet at this time. (Aside from the newer 2011/2012 pets which were added? If it is even above them. Unsure about the rarity changes with those guys.)

I also want to say that dates should not be a main priority, a good example of this is that 2016 VR robo-rat. It has been VR since it was given a rarity. I know it cannot really be brought down to an exact value but mentioning it at least would be great.

Quick update- I have been working work Koffee and LufikER on listing out the suggestions given as well as examining rarity changes in the list given by Ironic Equation. Very interesting I must say! So many pets were left out it seems. That document will be made public for the rest of you all to view as soon as we get it organized better, right now it's a mess and there is a lot of repeat stuff. We also need to examine the rarity changes which went DOWN and add that information in. If anybody has any links about that please post! (Sinbreaker has said this already but I just wanted to explain why.)

So happy to see people supporting this, I hope together as a community we can create a guide which will boost trading and finally allow recognition to to be given to so, SO many pets which had been skipped off the rares list for so long.

*apologies if anything doesn't make sense, i am not myself today!

[Ironic Equation]

@ Ironic Equation
Yeap, we working with this lists of pets, but we found that a lot of pets there is missing!
For example nick sunback PPS, nick blue toxic or rat from april 2009 which went up to VR much longer than most of advent/september list pets.

Yeah those are going to be an issue. Trying to determine which are rarer out of pets that have been very rare since rarities were established will not be easy.
I'm going to go through the rarity archives at some point and see if I can find when the pumpkin and spiderwing bwolves went back up to very rare, as well as any notable other changes in the pets on that list.

[EmberzTale]

In my opinion, I think the URs should be counted. Sure, the URs might make the list bigger, but they are still tradable in comparison to the regular release pets; some of them are possibly equally as rare and just because the URs might clump up the list doesn't mean they shouldn't be counted. I think if they are determined as rare enough to swap for another pet, then they should definitly be added.

I also think that store pets should be added to the list. Sure, store pets will never be released again. But as said many times before, store pets will take a long time to be omgsr if ever. Like take the skelebun for example, he took almost 10ish?? years to become omgsr. It will take years for their value to become higher and at this time it would make them fairly swap for other regular release pets of equal value. Just because they are going to be semi-customs in like 20 years shouldn't effect their placement now.

I don't think we should have a date cut-off. I think we should research any and all very rare+. Older doesn't always equal rarer. Like take for example, our last set of store pets turned very rare right from the start but some of the store corgis from 2013 were rare and took until last month to turn very rare. That proves that date has nothing to do with rarity. Heck, for all we know, a 2015 store pet could be on the border to omgsr. Older doesn't always equal rarer.

For comparing the values of the omgsr pets, I believe we should take their rarity history into consideration. Like if the pet was omgsr to start out with or when it turned omgsr and then we can kind of compare values. For example, the pets that have always been omgsr and never changed, we should safely assume can all belong together as they are steady omgsr. Original very rare pets that turned omgsr should have their rarity change date taken into account. Pets that turned omgsr within the same year as each other should have the same placement. Also, pets that are constantly fluctuating between very rare and omgsr should be placed lower than the pets that have been omgsr for a while.

I don't think the date of the pet should effect placement or value. Taking the example as I said above, older doesn't always mean rarer. The only dates that should be considered are the dates of rarity changes.

I don't think all very rares should be added. I think only the pets that have always been very rare or started out as rare and have been very rare for many years should be added. Some very rares are only on the border of becoming rare so I think some do need to be left out.

Again, this is all my opinion and I'm excited to see how other users feel about these questions.

[Sinbreaker]

Ive been waiting for replies but seems attention is back on Rare's List.

The more I hear about the "no cut off argument" I come to agree, but regardless the community is still voting to stop it at 2012. We can always purpose a second poll with the choices narrowed down to 2. And give a post summarizing the pros and cons to each choice.

For some of the UR's and other OMGsoRares I think dates should be looked at in some cases to avoid them all sitting on the same tier. And if we could find out if the same number of new UR's are released every year (relative to each other) or if they increase with the growing user account, I think that would help placements.

Store pets I have seen responses on both sides of the argument and I think again that should be another poll. But I am in favor of adding them.

[Clawdina]

i think doing a pros and cons list and having another poll would be a good idea since it would let people consider pets like the 2016 robo rat
and i do think that dates should be looked at for urs as well as when their rarity was given and if it ever changed.
as for store pets, i believe they should have their own list as what has made them such a pain to trade for to begin with was including them with the normal pets that were able to be rereleased as they will never be rereleased

[nickjr]

I think another thing to consider is that a lot of people might be voting with the assumption that pets like the green robo rat are "exceptions" that would be taken into consideration anyway, much as the URs are surely exceptions (I doubt the people voting to have the cutoff at 2012 want to ignore the URs from 2013+ haha) but it's a little hard to tell how many are voting for a general cutoff that will allow for many exceptions (e.g. include store pets from 2013+ if they started VR) and how many are voting for a harder cutoff that will only allow for a few exceptions (i.e. only let the URs be exceptions). (Anyone who's taking it more literally like me and is voting for a nearly complete cutoff is probably voting for one of the last few options.)

(off topic but I just wanted to say I didn't ignore those posts from earlier, so now I have a saved draft of various posts and info tidbits that I need to clean up)

[stan.]

Personally, I felt like the vote for older pets wasn't a cut off dare, but more like 'all (very rare and omgsr)
pets from 2008-20XX will be included in this list' and that other (very rare-omgsr) pets that fall outside of that year range can be evaluated one by one.

I'm in favor of including all URs on this list, and store pets too. But I'm also in favor of having separate lists for them.

I feel like having a store pet only list will be great to compare each store pet and because they technically are a separate collection according to Tess I believe (I'll go search a little to try to find the post I'm thinking of). BUT that some sort of rarity comparetion could be made with regular pets. Per example, let's say one store pet changed rarity at the same time that other pet, or that it has been a certain rarity as long as another pet has been the same rarity. This gives a very rough idea of what the store pet is similiar in rarity to, but of course not the same as that regular pet because a few dozens of that regular pet are rereleased every year, while store pets are not (if that makes sense?)

@nickjr
^^ basically this!

Edit: found the post I was thinking of Forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=50335&p=1406014&hilit=Store+pets+collection#p1406014

But anyways, this is a community list after all! Whenever or not URs and other VR pets out of the year range that gets chosen can be included in the list as exceptions can be voted on ^^