*DISCONTINUED* Rares List Guide (1 March 2019)

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What would you personally like to see done with the Rares List?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:15 am

1. Maintain - keep the Rares List the same but update pet values.
188
11%
2. Restructure - vote on ways to majorly update, restructure or rebuild the Rares List.
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3. Retire - discontinue the list and stop updating it.
770
44%
4. Undecided - don't know but show me the poll results
76
4%
 
Total votes : 1731

Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby Ironic Equation » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:42 pm

3000feet wrote:


So they did change at the same time then? In that case, it really does seem to me like the pumpkin b-wolf should be on the list too. Thank you for the help!! <3 :D

Okay so, sorry if I'm being stupid, but why aren't all those pets being added to the list? Did some drop in rarity in between? I mean the bunnies and the cat.

I think GWJ tier sounds like an excellent place for all the new OMG so rares (:
And that the aussie should drop to spotted tribal tier.
But polls on both of those should probably be run.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby Ꭺlina » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:48 pm

I don’t want the gaps list to get removed, it was honestly the only thing that helped me back then to understand the list and the different worth of the tiers.
Plus it is a great trade help, of course people prefer to own quantity over quality but I have never struggled to trade any high list pet down to it’s full worth (yes, also pets like dogtag/Moonswirl/sunjewel/any non etc). it just needs some patience.

Removing the gaps list would bring extreme confusion to the trading system and I am highly against this idea
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby Axolotl' » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:09 pm

Ꭺlina wrote:
I don’t want the gaps list to get removed, it was honestly the only thing that helped me back then to understand the list and the different worth of the tiers.
Plus it is a great trade help, of course people prefer to own quantity over quality but I have never struggled to trade any high list pet down to it’s full worth (yes, also pets like dogtag/Moonswirl/sunjewel/any non etc). it just needs some patience.

Removing the gaps list would bring extreme confusion to the trading system and I am highly against this idea

Maybe instead of taking out the gaps list, we can simply re-define it? We can put in lower gaps or we can put general ranges as to what pets should be added. The gaps list was a huge help to me as well, but as someone stated earlier, it was based off of inaccurate information so it wouldn't make sense to keep it as it is.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby Pyromaniacal » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:12 pm

    As someone who is not an avid list trader, I rely heavily on the Gaps List while trading up/down the list. I have no idea where tiers are in relation to each other otherwise - literally no idea. While it probably shouldn't be a number one priority - getting the actual list in order should definitely be done first - I think removing the Gaps List entirely is a really bad idea for the more casual traders like myself who rely on it. If it's inaccurate, definitely update it at some point; but ditching it entirely? Bad news bears to me.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby Ꭺlina » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:26 pm

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Ꭺlina wrote:
I don’t want the gaps list to get removed, it was honestly the only thing that helped me back then to understand the list and the different worth of the tiers.
Plus it is a great trade help, of course people prefer to own quantity over quality but I have never struggled to trade any high list pet down to it’s full worth (yes, also pets like dogtag/Moonswirl/sunjewel/any non etc). it just needs some patience.

Removing the gaps list would bring extreme confusion to the trading system and I am highly against this idea

Maybe instead of taking out the gaps list, we can simply re-define it? We can put in lower gaps or we can put general ranges as to what pets should be added. The gaps list was a huge help to me as well, but as someone stated earlier, it was based off of inaccurate information so it wouldn't make sense to keep it as it is.


I just think that if some things of it get changed, pets get traded for even less. For example it’s already hard (but possible) to trade a non for 3 sorbets, if they get valued down to for example 2 Sorbets people might want to only offer 1 or 1,5sorbets

I really don’t see a problem with the gaps list like it is as said before, I was always able to trade any list pet up/down for its worth, no matter if it was a Sunjewel for 5 nons, a non for 3 sorbets or a green toxic for 2 balloon dogs, the gaps list was never really a problem to me and I think to many other people neither, I see more problems in the FTT where a lot of people give wrong advice and claim pets to have bad demand, spreading such rumors when a pet actually trades fair instead of seeing problems in the gaps list to be honest
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby myth; » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:48 pm

I'm all for getting rid of or simplifying the gaps list, also for condensing the list into much fewer teirs. For example:
Old omgs
New omgs
"the not so big gap"
Fluctuating vr omgs

Then leave the rest of the list as is until we can reconfigure everything as we learn it. And I think it'd be great to make it smaller and simpler. Even if some pets "loose value", if trading is easier for everyone I don't mind my lists loosing their over inflated worth and crazy hard work being a forgotten nightmare. XD

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Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby opalineteardrops » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:03 pm

I just wanted to throw in my two cent as I've been trying to focus solely on helping the FTT over the Rare's List - and the effect here is starting to echo over there. I have personal frustrations with the list right now, but are trying to put those aside right now.

The speculation has already become damaging. While I'm not expecting anything to happen over night, I question - heavily - why this issue is being brought up with such precedence right now, when there are far more important things to attend to (IMO)


Removing the gaps list all together isnt going to solve anything. I fear it will have the same effect demand has now.
"Lolita goes for Sorb"
"The gap between two advents is an 09 rare"

Even if you remove it, people are so use to it, and use it so often, that it will continue to be used as is.
I have not caught up with the conversation but I question why this is suddenly a primary issue right now. Especially when both OMGSR moving up hasnt been sorted - the "people voting lowest" issue hasnt been sorted (my own opinion withdrawn). Right now, it feels like this thread is going around and around in circles, and nothing concrete is being done.

If the gaps are less than first suspected, then it would make more sense to change it, rather than remove.
If the gaps list was inaccurate to begin with, it should have never been made. As soon as you put something on paper - especially in a thread like this - people are going to take it as fact, and start using it.

But the damage is already done, and at this point, I believe it's too far gone to reverse.

Regardless of what happens, something concrete needs to happen beyond discussion, as speculation like this is horrible for trading, and trying to aid other people in trading. It doesn't give a definite to work off of - it doesnt even give a range, merely, "something will happen at some point" followed by radio silence - and you end up with "xyz might happen to pet" or "abc gap is being reduced" echoing around and around without it actually being done.
Which, from that I have personally seen, is more harmful to these types of threads than any sort of false demand - though false demand certainly doesnt help anything. If anything, this type of speculation creates even more false demand, which only serves to drive up greed faster, as people believe they can get more now simply based on what could happen in the future.


There are so many issues going on within the Rare's list right now, I think you (everyone, as a collective, not singular persons) need to focus on one issue at a time, try get it sorted, before try and tackle other things.
At this point, I'm beginning to wonder if Rare's List is too far gone to properly fix.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby Bilaz » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:15 pm

I have to agree with Lacuna if I'm perfectly honest. It's buried now and never really got much attention and I'm not sure where to find it but in the middle of the 2016/2017 discussion someone used the exponential growth of users in early 2008 to define that the gaps were indeed large but not as large as thought, it was more like 6 balloon dogs for a non I think? Gah I wish I could find it

either way I can't trade with this list the gaps are so high you can't get anywhere with just 1 list pet, trading up the list doesn't work. I gave up on this ages ago and instead sold old uncommons for C$ and bought main lists with C$, using this method I've managed to get a Moonswirl, a Joker, a Bengal and a WWA. If the C$ list trades so well then I think we need to think about the pet for pet list tbh.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby slaytheist » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:41 pm

to loop back to the b wolf, it may as well be added without much discussion as the list is going to get changed around a lot now anyways.

myth + destiny wrote:I'm all for getting rid of or simplifying the gaps list, also for condensing the list into much fewer teirs. For example:
Old omgs
New omgs
"the not so big gap"
Fluctuating vr omgs


i don't agree with doing away with it completely, but i feel this is going in a good direction.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide **NEW NOTE**

Postby myth; » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:47 pm

Now that's an interesting idea.. change the gaps list to match the C$ list? Have the gaps as big pet wise as they are C$ wise? Makes trading up much easier and it'd finally match the C$ list?

Now that we know pets with the same tag are closer in value than we think, can we alter the 'three month rule' to swapping, to 'the three year rule'? Since trading a 2009 rare for a 2012 rare doesn't seem that outrageous now we know they're closer together value wise than we previously thought?


We need to find a single conversation to discuss so we can start getting things sorted. What is a top priority right now?
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