CS Rares+ Guide

[Ember the Wolf]

I wouldn't mind seeing two types of list,
One that a counts for the demand of a pet and one that shows how rare it is in reality
I think it would be really useful

[Mina Ashido]

I honestly think it should only be a how rare it really is list, cause demand doesn't go around the same. Even though some demand is common, like the raven may look common, you can't make a list considering it when not everyone goes by it. That's like counting how many people think pepperoni is best, it may be very common but there's still so many who like cheese is better. The best choice is a how rare it actually is list, cause it doesn't go by opinion and it's more accurate and fair and it can be used by everyone.

[houndoom]

question: are placements going to be the same as the old list? because if so what was the point of retiring the old list.
considering the old list was mainly just ''lol heres demand inflation'' and i'd hate for this to be another one of those*

The list wasn't the one which had demand inflation; it was mainly the people who had the pet and wanted to increase the value of the pet so they can get more out of it

Actually several pets on the list got their placement from inflated demand, the joker and UR tiger being great examples. The UR tiger isn’t actually the most rare pet in the game, but it had such insane demand that it got placed at the very top. The joker was constantly going up in demand so it kept getting placed higher and higher.

just adding my two cents here: rarity wise there is a rat rarer than the joker that didnt even get PLACED on the list. people dont even know about it. the joker is where it is solely due to demand. the fact that it got raised so high when its value is half, if not even lower than that, made it increase in demand. it made its ""value"" skyrocket. its the perfect example of why adding pets solely based on their demand is a bad idea.

[Mina Ashido]

I totally agree^ Like the raven/patchwork wasn't that rare, in fact like you said I know a lot more rarer things that weren't even considered for the top list placement. The demand for the raven made it where demand was skyrocketed, when based on how rare it is, it shouldn't have been. I think the list should be based on rarity, not demand.

[houndoom]

not only that, but demand is a VERY fluctuating thing. something that gets 1 non one day can go for a sorbet the other. making a list that takes demand into account so much would require more edits and would not be a stable, reliable thing. if i pay a non for a bmd one day and a sorbet for another bmd, where would you place it? non level or sorbet level? keep in mind you would base this placement on a singular trade i did because i like one pet more than the other. such is the case of dragon cat pps. people pay main lists for it because they like it, not because thats their worth. so their worth should not be based on those trades.

[endermiss]

No support for a demand-based list. Demand has already been abused by greedy people taking advantage of someone's want for a pet. And like houndoom said above: demand is constantly changing and it even changes by the individual.

I support a new list that is a guide to the rarest pets. It should only look at rarity.

Before someone comes at me with a strawman argument: demand does and should play a part in trading, but a list based PURELY on rarity will help users with a baseline for fairness.

[Seasonal]

Hey guys, I completely understand that there are mixed opinions about this, but anyone is welcome to create their own pet rarity guide. If they want to include demand in their guide, that is completely up to them. You don't have to follow this guide if you don't want to. You don't have to follow the old guide if you don't want to. You can make your own guide purely based off of trade data and pet ratios if you'd like to.

Editing to state that the above paragraph is from a staff standpoint; we are not going to stop people from constructing guides. Anything below this is my personal viewpoint as a regular player.

Personally, I think it would be great to place high-demand pets higher than they were on the old list. It is absolutely unfair to watch newer players get scammed because they are unaware of what people trade their Jokers or Ravens for. Yeah, the Raven is "worth" an Advent, but you will never find a trading partner who's going to accept that deal. This creates a very easy avenue for informed users to scam less active users. Quite frankly, supporting that behavior makes me uncomfortable.

The list is about keeping people informed of their pet values. If people are trading X for Y, then the list should be updated to reflect that. I don't think either side will ever come to a conclusion that everyone is happy with, but in no way is any list written in stone or enforced by the site. You can trade your pets however you'd like to.

At the end of the day, NONE of us truly know what pets are the rarest because we simply do not have that data to work with and we never will, unless we gather it ourselves by counting each individual pet released on the site. The old list was probably horrid compared to the actual pet data.

Maybe a better name for this guide would be something like, a pet guide that reflects the current market price of pets?

[avaloafe]

Hey guys, I completely understand that there are mixed opinions about this, but anyone is welcome to create their own pet rarity guide. If they want to include demand in their guide, that is completely up to them. You don't have to follow this guide if you don't want to. You don't have to follow the old guide if you don't want to. You can make your own guide purely based off of trade data and pet ratios if you'd like to.

Personally, I think it would be great to place high-demand pets higher than they were on the old list. It is absolutely unfair to watch newer players get scammed because they are unaware of what people trade their Jokers or Ravens for. Yeah, the Raven is "worth" an Advent, but you will never find a trading partner who's going to accept that deal. This creates a very easy avenue for informed users to scam less active users. Quite frankly, supporting that behavior makes me uncomfortable.

The list is about keeping people informed of their pet values. If people are trading X for Y, then the list should be updated to reflect that. I don't think either side will ever come to a conclusion that everyone is happy with, but in no way is any list written in stone or enforced by the site. You can trade your pets however you'd like to.

At the end of the day, NONE of us truly know what pets are the rarest because we simply do not have that data to work with and we never will, unless we gather it ourselves by counting each individual pet released on the site. The old list was probably horrid compared to the actual pet data.

Maybe a better name for this guide would be something like, a pet guide that reflects the current market price of pets?

sorry, no, i disagree. a pet should be based on their rarity and not demand. a shima isn't worth list pets just because it's more popular. i didn't think that's how a rarity system was. i though we had the rarity categories for a reason... the last one was closed for a reason.

[Guest]

Hey guys, I completely understand that there are mixed opinions about this, but anyone is welcome to create their own pet rarity guide. If they want to include demand in their guide, that is completely up to them. You don't have to follow this guide if you don't want to. You don't have to follow the old guide if you don't want to. You can make your own guide purely based off of trade data and pet ratios if you'd like to.

Personally, I think it would be great to place high-demand pets higher than they were on the old list. It is absolutely unfair to watch newer players get scammed because they are unaware of what people trade their Jokers or Ravens for. Yeah, the Raven is "worth" an Advent, but you will never find a trading partner who's going to accept that deal. This creates a very easy avenue for informed users to scam less active users. Quite frankly, supporting that behavior makes me uncomfortable.

The list is about keeping people informed of their pet values. If people are trading X for Y, then the list should be updated to reflect that. I don't think either side will ever come to a conclusion that everyone is happy with, but in no way is any list written in stone or enforced by the site. You can trade your pets however you'd like to.

At the end of the day, NONE of us truly know what pets are the rarest because we simply do not have that data to work with and we never will, unless we gather it ourselves by counting each individual pet released on the site. The old list was probably horrid compared to the actual pet data.

Maybe a better name for this guide would be something like, a pet guide that reflects the current market price of pets?

I fully agree!

[SabrinaB]

To be honest, I am a little afraid of this list.
We don't know the exalt worth/value of a pet without counting every pet on CS an continue doing so every re-release. The system also doesn't consider inactive accounts when setting the rarities, and we don't know how long someone should be inactive for this to be considered inactive. So even counting pets isn't 100% trustworthy.
People often take a list as set rules, not as a guideline.
The old list was retired for a reason.
Having a list with demand included will place pets higher and higher. If someone traded their Sunjuwel for a Shima, what effect will it happen on the guide? And people overpaid for pet already. That might mean that they will pay even more than this list displays.
I'm afraid of the effects if people take this too seriously, like the old retired guide.

A guide might be usefull, as long as the pets are placed as accurate as possible and is being updated more than the old one.
The omg so rare rats should be pretty low, considered their demand... But they deserve to be quite high on the list.
And some pets go for list pets, while they weren't on it. July Lioness, August PPS, Shima... We all know plenty of pets not on the old list, but going to a lot. If we make a list of 50 pets we could still add more to it...
Demand should be included too. We don't know their true value anyway, so saying it'worth more or less... who knows for sure? Demand is more accurate to work with, since we have trades to support the placement.

I am going to stalk this thread, it sounds interesting... But I sure hope people consider it as guidelines and not as rules.