Equine Transformation Project - VOTING CLOSED

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*throws in my 2 cents*
Personally (if not talking about art theft), I really really liked the old PPS and Draft lines. They are do adorable and chubby and everything.
But when I heard that they were traced, I was really dissappointed.
If really, it's only about having too many horse linearts, I would say no. It's cool to have a variety of different horse linearts and, as many other users have said, I would keep them for sentimental reasons.
But art theft is not okay and never will be, so I would vote yes.
What is really the point of keeping and protecting stolen art?

Again, it's just my two cents. uvu

[mawsoleum]

I think we should stop thinking as much about "nostalgia" or "history", and focus on what's best for the site. As Tess suggests in the first post, it will be the best to change the lines. This will allow us to be organised, it'll clear up any potential tracing trouble, and it will make items and what not easier to fit. Also, the designs become much more beautiful and detailed in this new lineart, which gives the site a more professional look. The better the design quality, the more people will want to join. Equi's design quality is rather low, to be blunt, and it doesn't reflect too well on the site's overall quality.
Also, by keeping the lines, CS is being extremely hypocritical. Since CS has such a strict policy on uncredited reference and tracing, letting the lines stay would be ridiculous. This obviously doesn't speak well of the people running the art and site, and I'm sure neither Tess or Nick want to be perceived in a negative way.

Basically, nostalgia just isn't the most important factor here, sorry.

[hiatus.]

If people are going to quit because they are upset about the possibility of CS no longer tacitly condoning art theft... I say good riddance. We as a community pride ourselves on artistic integrity. It's time we got all of the lineart in line with that philosophy. If somebody isn't on board with making honest artwork, they aren't a good fit for this community and I sincerely hope they go ahead and leave.

amen

I agree. Art theft shouldn't be tolerated. The people who want the old designs just don't seem to care that someone else's photos were used without permission.

i third this.
why are people tolerating art theft? because they like the 'old lines.' can we at least have a specific reason of why you suddenly 'like' the old lines? it's felt like a lot of 'oh, i like these now that they're going!'

[Papyrsatyr]

I think we should stop thinking as much about "nostalgia" or "history", and focus on what's best for the site. As Tess suggests in the first post, it will be the best to change the lines. This will allow us to be organised, it'll clear up any potential tracing trouble, and it will make items and what not easier to fit. Also, the designs become much more beautiful and detailed in this new lineart, which gives the site a more professional look. The better the design quality, the more people will want to join. Equi's design quality is rather low, to be blunt, and it doesn't reflect too well on the site's overall quality.
Also, by keeping the lines, CS is being extremely hypocritical. Since CS has such a strict policy on uncredited reference and tracing, letting the lines stay would be ridiculous. This obviously doesn't speak well of the people running the art and site, and I'm sure neither Tess or Nick want to be perceived in a negative way.

Basically, nostalgia just isn't the most important factor here, sorry.

This, though for those who are still worried about losing the horse lines and your favorite pet. Simply save the images to your computer, then in turn in your signature or whatever. The change is for bettering the site.

I mean several of the old linearts are out in the internet ( mostly linked to the art theft allegations, but there none the less)

[Harpalyce]

I sympathize completely with everyone saying they're going to miss the old linearts. I really do! I think they have a certain goofy charm about them.

However, I care about artistic integrity a lot more than I do about missing those old linearts.

I think it might be a good compromise to see if we can get a variant of the current lines done - something like the Arabian lines (which were supposed to be store-pet-only), with longer mane and tail, but in a way that will still mean that the items will fit all the horses. Most importantly, we'll know that the lineart is completely, 100%, without a doubt kosher.

Keep in mind, too, that equimagine has admitted to this theft. This thread isn't to be mean to her, to put her on trial, or anything like that; we already know that the lineart she's done is 'non-kosher'. It's just a question about what to do about it. I don't think it's okay to continue using lineart we know to have dubious origins. Even if all of them weren't traced exactly, the fact remains that they all used reference which has gone uncredited for long enough.

Again, I really do sympathize with everyone who is going to miss the old lines! A lot of us are. I just think that it's a LOT more important that we uphold artistic integrity, and that discussing that artistic integrity is very important to this discussion. By voting 'no', you're saying that you're okay with using lineart we all know to be part of this art theft, and are okay with that continuing to represent CS despite the strict rules against art theft in other parts of the site. Think about whether you really want to say it's okay to let this slide simply because you don't want things changed.

[oceanblue514]

I think we should stop thinking as much about "nostalgia" or "history", and focus on what's best for the site. As Tess suggests in the first post, it will be the best to change the lines. This will allow us to be organised, it'll clear up any potential tracing trouble, and it will make items and what not easier to fit. Also, the designs become much more beautiful and detailed in this new lineart, which gives the site a more professional look. The better the design quality, the more people will want to join. Equi's design quality is rather low, to be blunt, and it doesn't reflect too well on the site's overall quality.
Also, by keeping the lines, CS is being extremely hypocritical. Since CS has such a strict policy on uncredited reference and tracing, letting the lines stay would be ridiculous. This obviously doesn't speak well of the people running the art and site, and I'm sure neither Tess or Nick want to be perceived in a negative way.

Basically, nostalgia just isn't the most important factor here, sorry.

Maybe you should go back and read the first post again. It says that you are not allowed to badger other users for what they vote for and why they voted for what they did. I really don't want to sound rude, sorry if I did. :c

~lights xx

[dontdrinkthepoison]

If people are going to quit because they are upset about the possibility of CS no longer tacitly condoning art theft... I say good riddance. We as a community pride ourselves on artistic integrity. It's time we got all of the lineart in line with that philosophy. If somebody isn't on board with making honest artwork, they aren't a good fit for this community and I sincerely hope they go ahead and leave.

amen

I agree. Art theft shouldn't be tolerated. The people who want the old designs just don't seem to care that someone else's photos were used without permission.

Guys.. I feel your passion.. this is obviously a very strong nerve. And by all means plead your case.. respectively.

The point that is lost here is that just because someone votes no... it does NOT mean they are FOR art theft. It means they see things differently. Many think that is was already handled when Equie changed her lineart.. some think that Tess is handling it and would not give us the choice if it was still in question... Most of who I have dealt with are simply saying that they are basing their vote solely on what was asked in the poll.... What do you think of the lineart regarding uniformity and items???

Please stop assuming that all the NOs are for Art Theft because that is not true. I can tell your are very passionate about the issue but please try to understand and be respectful.

I personally would like to hear Tess's take on all of this.. the lineart, the art theft, the future of CS.

[mawsoleum]

I'm not really "badgering" anyone, just stating a fact that is important to consider.

[hiatus.]

Guys.. I feel your passion.. this is obviously a very strong nerve. And by all means plead your case.. respectively.

The point that is lost here is that just because someone votes no... it does NOT mean they are FOR art theft. It means they see things differently. Many think that is was already handled when Equie changed her lineart.. some think that Tess is handling it and would not give us the choice if it was still in question... Most of who I have dealt with are simply saying that they are basing their vote solely on what was asked in the poll.... What do you think of the lineart regarding uniformity and items???

Please stop assuming that all the NOs are for Art Theft because that is not true. I can tell your are very passionate about the issue but please try to understand and be respectful.

I personally would like to hear Tess's take on all of this.. the lineart, the art theft, the future of CS.

there was no disrespect at all -- we believe that art theft is wrong, and it was strongly hinted that that is the main reason for this change -- you should not make a vote that does not take in every aspect of the argument, and that means reading the front page for the information provided. if any disrespect was made, a mod would have swooped in and stopped it. we are here to discuss the change and what pertains to the change, not to chastise others for voicing a strong opinion.

[Harpalyce]

Honestly, I'm having real trouble seeing how a 'no' isn't a vote FOR art theft.

At the very least people who vote no think that it's more important to keep old lineart they happen to like than to do anything about lineart we know to be non-kosher.

If you're sincerely okay with this theft, lack of proper respect for reference, and/or absence of artistic integrity, well, feel free to vote 'no', but it's what you're voting for. And please don't be surprised when people question why you are putting the status quo above CS's dedication to artistic integrity.