Rule Changes to Address Misleading Trades +Spam Guide Update

[Cloverstream]

Everyone here saying they can’t understand values or guides … you think you are going to understand the exact same guides better just by changing the names of units? The issue isn’t the terms itself then, it’s that you don’t get how the units scale/ add/ ect. That’s like saying you don’t understand what a teaspoon and tablespoon is, so it’s better if we rename it to a soupspoon and sugarspoon then you’ll understand it. It doesn’t actually change how those measurements work.

[Pallastronomy]

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Suggestion thread to roll this decision back is now live

[AncientEldritch]

My only worry about this is that banning the term "old rare" from trading guides seems.. poorly thought through? I suppose guided can switch to "2010/2011 rare" but an old rare is just an old rare. It's literally a description.

That being said, I really really hope to see this used to crack down on notoriously unfair/ninja traders. I really don't mean to sound pessimistic but until I see the most notorious scam traders dealt with, I am running on the assumption that nothing will change. I really hope I am proven wrong.

[-Nighthawk-]

{ I'm ECSTATIC to see these terms finally going away when every guide and then every trader out there uses them to mean different things. with a change this big now maybe instead of 20 different trade guides everyone will put their heads together to make one solid set of values which will faster weed out scammers. I hope staff plans to bring the hammer down on known scammers with this change as well. ♡

I am as well just because nobody has been able to fully explain to me (or many other players I know) what a "mid advent" even is. People will always try to scam others, I feel like this will kind of start to help players who haven't been able to figure this player-made system out.

I'm in the same boat here, I could never grasp the Rare's List when it was thing and I rarely bothered with MA/Non, so for those in the same boat as me and have either been successful or unsuccessful taken advantage of due to ignorance, I'm hopeful this will be a good change in the right direction. I pretty much gave up on ever trading for pets from 2008-2011 because of this, and became way too scared to trade any rare or higher away, didn't matter what year or species it came from because I had been oblivious and taken advantage of in my earlier years. I do use Oreoz's script, and it has helped me a lot with trading this past year but only for pets that didn't use the whole MA/Non terms, because even if I tried to make sense of it, I was still somehow misunderstanding it so I just gave up on it and just focused on hoards and recent year/months. Which is still fun and all, but it would be nice to somehow have a chance at earlier year pets without having to jump through so many hoops. Otherwise, I am curious to see where all this goes and hopeful to lessen the whole scammer problem.

[Lunarrmoth]

Okay so i may just not be reading it well but genuinely how does making it so guides don't follow the same terms make it easier? If anything having every guide have its own different terminology is going to make things 10x more confusing since you have to figure out each individual guides rules to figure out what term means what instead lf having a base point to go off of. It means more work for newer players so instead of just reading horrors guide, they have to read all guides to know whats going on

[Kenjaku]

This is insane actually. Like, in a bad way. Now instead of three-five universal measurements, we're supposed to memorise 3-5 PER guide? Am I just old? I don't have the brain power nor the willpower to learn all of these new terms I'm going to be expected to know so I can trade fairly.

This is just going to be more confusing and make what should be fun a chore.

Also banning the term 'old rare' is bonkers. Straight up. Absolutely bonkers. It's an.. old rare.

[Skyshale]

i dunno, i think ma/non are imperfect terms and can definitely be confusing especially to new players but i dont get how having people make up their own terms isn't just more confusing for new players ? being told different things and trying to figure out different guides that view worth differently than each other feels more confusing than having one central guide like we kind of do now with horror's list but idk (honestly i wish we just had one guide that was official with clearly defined terminology but i understand how difficult that would be to implement and keep up with so what can u do). i feel like the terminology we generally use could be changed to be less confusing but encouraging ppl to invent their own terminology feels like it opens the door for scamming more than it closes it idk

also ! im really happy to hear about cracking down on scamming but this just doesnt feel like the move, if banning the ma/non terms is meant to discourage scamming i cant really see it helping. i feel like theres better ways to go about it

[The Last Raven]

Banning these terms is just going to make it easier to ninja and scam.

[shrimp...]

Banning these terms is just going to make it easier to ninja and scam.

100% this.

[tawnycatz]

Hm, not sure how the MA/non thing will work out long-term, but i can see short-term chaos for sure.

I don't really do high-value trades... ever, and barely comprehend what a MA/non is (until recently, thank you horror and that value plugin). i understand that sometimes the worth can feel vague (what exactly is an MA actually worth?), but i think most users use horror's list as a baseline guide. it is, at least, the most popular thing i see when clicking on trading pages: something like "i use horrors list" in their trading rules bio.

i can see this either becoming very confusing (value guides using their own personal value units, each different -- MAs are at least the same pets), or "MA but renamed". "green tier = 1 mid advent" so you just end up with "10GT" instead of "10MA", which would.. then defeat the point of the rule. and, frankly, i feel like whatever the most popular guides use as a metric will just end up being the baseline again. I mean, if a guide measures the worth of all pets using the metric of 2010 rares, and that guide ends up being popular, would we not end up in the same boat again of "what is an MA actually worth, what does that mean" but instead as "what is a 2010 rare really worth, what does that mean" ?

unless im missing something here? i understand why this change was done, but i'm not sure if it'll actually end up being helpful for anyone in the long term. if u get what i mean. i dont do enough high-tier trading for me to have much of an opinion either way (if this change ends up helping that's great), but im just. kinda wondering how this will pan out

EDIT: to add on, not to mention the scam potential here! i might not know the details of MA/non trading, but if i have a pet that multiple guides list as being 5-10 MAs, and someone is offering me a pet that is listed as being 1-2 MAs, i know i wont want to accept that trade. i don't want to have to learn multiple different value units to cross-compare across guides, and frankly, if everyone settles on one universal unit/term, we're back to the MA problem again but with new paint 😭