Rule Change targeting offsite bullying/harassment

[Buzz Aesthetic]

This was a much needed update! But I've got a few questions about it?

Does this rule protect the moderators or owners of servers and offsite threads from being punished by what anonymous users are posting or saying? Or will the moderators be punished for what their community is saying?

Does this rule help artists who have had their character or art stolen though cs, by players of cs. Will this rule punish users who have posted stolen characters offsite (on toyhouse for example), but got the characters through oekaki and other on-ice locations?

Will this rule affect users who have posted illegal, harmful, and dangerous behavior offsite, but have acted according to cs rules while on site? Users who are a danger to the cs playerbase and other children? Users who can be directly connected to cs via their offsite posts, but haven't posted their offsite link on cs?

Are these still considered "offsite" and unenforceable on cs?

[bark]

This was a much needed update! But I've got a few questions about it?

Does this rule protect the moderators or owners of servers and offsite threads from being punished by what anonymous users are posting or saying? Or will the moderators be punished for what their community is saying?

Does this rule help artists who have had their character or art stolen though cs, by players of cs. Will this rule punish users who have posted stolen characters offsite (on toyhouse for example), but got the characters through oekaki and other on-ice locations?

Will this rule affect users who have posted illegal, harmful, and dangerous behavior offsite, but have acted according to cs rules while on site? Users who are a danger to the cs playerbase and other children? Users who can be directly connected to cs via their offsite posts, but haven't posted their offsite link on cs?

Are these still considered "offsite" and unenforceable on cs?

This too. I'm very worried about the possibility of players on here that shouldn't be around children and those that are a danger to others; even if they follow the rules on CS. If a rule isn't made about it, I'd like to see one made if possible.

As someone who wants to have/run closed species discords in the future, I don't think it's fair to punish mods/owners based on rule-breaking users.

A very much needed rule change, thank you for adding this!
I hope this change may bring more positive behavior to the CS community in the future. I think all of us need to learn to be better to one another.

edit;
Though i do wonder, how will such work with things of the past, before this rule change? Because if I am not mistaken it seems you would be able to just take anything anybody has said and slap it into a report. Could also be very easily abused in cases of people no longer getting along.. I hope there is careful action taken by staff to ensure there is none of that because I know plenty will try and take advantage of this. Same in cases of offsite illegal sales; I know there are people who will again, take advantage of this and if there isn’t proper context given I could see a lot of potentially unjust reports that skew the reality of a situation. I hope to see both sides able to speak and explain their side of the story before staff slaps a punishment on someone.

This too, maybe put somewhere that it has to happen after this rule update, except for extreme cases if the user is a danger to kids and others? (Illegal intentions, design/art theft) That's another thing I'd like to see be clarified by admins c:

(If I need to re-word anything, let me know I forgot my reading glasses at work and I'm off for the weekend)

[Tess]

Does this rule protect the moderators or owners of servers and offsite threads from being punished by what anonymous users are posting or saying? Or will the moderators be punished for what their community is saying?

Does this rule help artists who have had their character or art stolen though cs, by players of cs. Will this rule punish users who have posted stolen characters offsite (on toyhouse for example), but got the characters through oekaki and other on-ice locations?

Will this rule affect users who have posted illegal, harmful, and dangerous behavior offsite, but have acted according to cs rules while on site? Users who are a danger to the cs playerbase and other children? Users who can be directly connected to cs via their offsite posts, but haven't posted their offsite link on cs?

Are these still considered "offsite" and unenforceable on cs?

These are a lot of good questions, thanks

For the most part, what people do when offsite is their own business. However, when it directly relates to CS and CS users then we become interested. The behavior of CS users offsite will be taken into consideration by staff, however not all activity will result in staff taking action against CS accounts. Some issues may fall into a grey area where there's no clear answer on the best course of action. Everything is looked at on a case by case basis, so it's difficult to make a blanket statement that adequately covers all possibilities.

Owners/Admins/Moderators of other communities: it's not against our rules to create or moderate a separate community. However, if we believe you use this position to encourage or support inappropriate behavior relating to CS or CS users then we may take action. For example, creating or participating in attack threads targeting CS users, and actively condoning such behavior by your members.

Artists of stolen artwork: we often receive reports about these kinds of issues. It's very important to report these issues first to the original artist, as well as the site you see the artwork being posted on, so the site can remove it. Some sites require that a DMCA takedown notice is issued by the artist themself, rather than someone acting on their behalf. Report the issue to us so we can assess the situation and decide how to manage it from our end.

Illegal/Harmful/Dangerous behavior: If we have adequate cause to believe this person poses a real threat to CS or CS users, then we may take action based on their activity offsite. For example, a person seeking illicit relationships with minors. If there is no reason to believe their behavior will ever cross over onto CS, e.g. sharing unrelated R18 artwork on an adult art forum, this does not concern us.

If in doubt, report the issue so we can take a look at it and make a decision from there. We can only act on the things we are made aware of.

[Lacuna]

I have removed some posts from this topic because, while we are aware that people may have questions about specific situations and/or are able to provide evidence regarding the behavior of certain users offsite, we would like to address these privately through the help system rather than publicly. This is because, in the process of asking these questions, there is vague posting about other users. Please send in a help ticket with specific questions and situations will be addressed by admins.

[Buzz Aesthetic]

Illegal/Harmful/Dangerous behavior: If we have adequate cause to believe this person poses a real threat to CS or CS users, then we may take action based on their activity offsite. For example, a person seeking illicit relationships with minors. If there is no reason to believe their behavior will ever cross over onto CS, e.g. sharing unrelated R18 artwork on an adult art forum, this does not concern us.

Sorry this answer confuses me a little, it's not very clear. Are you saying if a user is seeking illicit relationships with minors, however aren't doing it directly on cs, or are doing it behind the scenes, the user will still be allowed to participate in a children-based community? Please correct me if I'm wrong I'm honestly confused, this response has a lot of grey area that I would really appreciate if it was cleared up

Specifically about what cs would consider a threat to our community? Users who discuss and share national socialism? Users who regularly share graphic imagery such as gore or horror on an account connected to cs? Users who share and consume R18 of that would be dangerous to my neice or little sister? To what extent would these users be allowed to regularly participate on our site, if there was clear evidence to tie them to these things I feel like it would be dangerous to let them near children and be able to interact with the cs community.
I hope you understand I'm using extremes off the top of my head as examples, I'm not saying I've seen any users who match these descriptions, I'm just trying to get a better grasp of what is trying to be said here.

[vyntageheart]

Thank you so much for this rule, staff. So much anxiety has always loomed over my head regarding a lot of this and it's nice to see it addressed.

[Only_Sky]

I've noticed from friends' experiences with staff, there can be a lot of bias from certain members of staff. One member of staff may consider something non-problematic, versus another who may agree with the user reporting a ticket. How can users be assured a fair judgement from higher ups when some staff members are known to have wavering opinions compared to others?

[avaloafe]

what if we send in help tickets and they just get looked over and not dealt with? i have instances where i send in a ticket, and nothing gets done. no response from staff. if i try to report again, i can't. i've spoken to people who have had the same issue.

i also agree with only_sky. what will you guys do if one staff member things it's fine, but another doesn't? or if they are biased on a subject?

[ford]

I've noticed from friends' experiences with staff, there can be a lot of bias from certain members of staff. One member of staff may consider something non-problematic, versus another who may agree with the user reporting a ticket. How can users be assured a fair judgement from higher ups when some staff members are known to have wavering opinions compared to others?

seconded, i also would like to know about this

[nickjr]

This is a VERY welcome change to see! Thank you! I don't know how to convey my joy at seeing this rule update via text... -dumps warm feelings onto everyone-

edit: I'm also interested in the questions posed on the previous page but I don't have the energy to try to meaningfully contribute to it -sweats profusely-

edit 3: ignore my previous edit, see Seasonal's post below