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Should Tess & Nick Sell CS

I agree with this post and believe CS should be sold/passed on
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Sell Chicken Smoothie (Poll Has Been Reset!)

Postby Cinnamon Stick » Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:53 am

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Hi everyone, hope you're all well!

My suggestion today is.. controversial, it's is risky, and funnily enough it wasn't mine.


As you may have been noticing, chicken smoothie is.. dying. It's losing members, its losing interest, and it's staffing team just don't seem to care anymore. Of course there are the odd exceptions, but staff activity and action has all but crashed in recent months. The solution? Tess and Nick are clearly too busy for CS, the staff have lives outside of CS.. so I think it's time to sell or pass it on to someone new, someone with fresh ideas and the experience to make the right changes.

Hire more staff members to pick up any slack, if vast numbers are busy with work or school or need to take a few weeks, there should always be more ready to take their place. You can never have too many staff, and they're not being paid so there's no reason to not expand CS' ranks to make this site safe and to get reports checked and dealt with swiftly and effectively.

It'd also give staff the time to respond to said tickets when they have been done, or tell people why said posts were deleted, as many just.. don't answer or delete something and never tell you they've done it or why.

As well as this, there are *thousands* of site suggestions that have been made since CS began, so many are very easy to do and are taught to us during computer lessons in school, but are not added. The excuse for this is that Nick (the ONLY coder of CS) is too busy, that's understandable.. so why not hire another? Or a team? The favourite excuse to put these suggestions to the side is that it needs a certain level of support, thousands of people to post or vote in a poll for it to even be considered by the admin team. Some of these suggestions are easy, a new swap thread to keep pet swaps and date swaps separate, a nighttime mode for those with eye sensitivity or want to do some late night trading.. easy to do, but never done.


The founders and admins of this site haven't been updating or posting much here at all, there have been no major updates for years bar the oekaki but that clearly hasn't helped CS as this place is supposed to be adoption and pet trade centered, yet is failing to nurture all other sectors of the site. The most recent post from Tess was a response to Black Lives Matter protests, but this post was only made because of public outrage on CS, it was forced, didn't feel authentic, and wasn't going to be posted because it was "jumping on the bandwagon".

Fortunately for many of us with morals, it was a great way to find the racists and add them to our block lists.. but after a few weeks of watching the same people spew hate and toxic beliefs.. CS did nothing to those players bar deleting the "confrontational" posts.. but not banning or warning the ones making them.


Updates! As someone who plays on many sites and games, I love getting updates about the site or game I'm part of. Even a simple post every other day that gives an update on future events or releases, or just a quick "hello hope you're well we're working on something new" to keep us gripped, to found our hope in CS' future. It takes 5 minutes to write a small announcement, to let us know you're here and well or even not well, to show us that you are still looking out for us and this site.


A commitment was made when this site was created. Tess herself admitted she didn't expect CS to be as popular as it is, but after 10 years of being on the internet and still going, the admins have vanished. Like with many games or artist centered creations, you make a promise to yourself and your following that you'll keep working on it, making updates, fixing errors, and making the place entertaining for years to come. Is money an issue? I'm sure there are many of people willing to help pay towards time being sent on CS for an overhaul, there is thousands of dollars spent every two months when store pets are released and with added advertisement income and revenue.. there must be enough to pay for a few hours a week to making some bigger/not your standard changes to keep CS up to date with the times.


Further proof that CS is dying are the forums, they are very quiet. The Flight Rising Chat, the discussions threads, swap threads.. used to have several pages a day, now they're lucky to get a few posts per week. The admins may think this is because a vast majority of users have moved to other platforms to speak on like discord and skype etc, but those servers have also lost massive followings and are as much a ghost town as the forums.

Another is that the members have grown and moved on, that a decrease in activity is to be expected. But sites like Flight Rising and Neopets are as old as CS, also have members who grew older and moved on, but are still alive and well. But what does this tell us? CS isn't catering to fresh blood as the saying goes, it's not welcoming to newer and younger users because it's outdated and stagnant.. but this is an easy fix.

But why is this? Other than the lack of staff tenderness and care, it's down to slacking of the rules, the very foundations of a decent ""family friendly"" website. Since the rise of the BLM, it's become glaringly obvious how many users here are racist. And not just "don't know what they're saying/parroting their parents/preaching religious rights and quotes" racist, users who have been told that using "all lives matter/blue lives matter" is damaging and why, but still continue to use it and preach it. Even after Tess announced they'd be taking strict action on racists, they haven't. One user in particular who I obviously won't name went from featuring the confederate flag that presents slavery, to comments and quotations of ALM etc. despite countless reports being made against them and the promise that "users are not banned for simply having an opinion unless it is a particularly harmful one" (quote from Sorren Fey).

Condoning violence against the black people of the world is clearly not harmful enough to be a ban-able offence; sharing toyhouse and tumblr links with pornographic content, preaching harmful phrases that condone murder, blogging hateful and bullying despite overwhelming evidence to link the player behind it to a CS account.. not harmful enough to be a ban-able offence.

But do you know what is? Drawing furries or anthros who show pink bellies, accidentally sending someone an unfair trade they accepted and suddenly demand a trade back for, writing "censored" as a joke, calling out scammers and bullies, disagreeing with staff over small and opinionated matters.. and more questionable and head scratching examples of people being banned over something so meager.


So.. Tess.. Nick.. I get you guys are busy and have lives outside of CS, but if you haven't got the time or energy to admin for CS anymore.. please, give it to someone who can. If you no longer have the time to walk your dog, you don't lock it outside and leave it to fend for itself, you rehome or make a compromise. Compromise or rehome CS and gives us a future for it, don't leave it to die and make our's and your's investment and time mean nothing.

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I understand everyone's confusion regarding the title. But PLEASE READ the rest of the page. Selling CS is still on the table. We may have gotten Nick's attention, but just barely. The fact of the matter is, the admins have their own lives, which is restricting their ability to help CS.

There's no shame in that, either. They're adults with jobs, families, and personal lives. But CS is part of my family, and I don't want to see it perish.

So if they have to sell CS for it to continue to flourish, so be it, in my opinion.

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Postby mjolnir » Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:57 am

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part one || part two || part three
here is their most recent summary!

State of the Debate III: The Return of the Queen?
Covering pages 44-64
Unfortunately the answer is no, but I promise good stuff has happened


1. Chronological

17. ZEL posts
    β€’ ZEL is a general helper who has been with the site all the way since 2008
    β€’ They expand upon a previous post of Burrito Bunny's to explain why they'd rather stay a general helper than be a moderator, as well as offering their support for the thread
18. The Summer Event announcement is posted with one of Lacuna's pets, prompting users to wonder why it's not one of Tess'
19. This sparks a discussion on why Tess hasn't posted yet
20. Some users feel their financial investment (in the form of C$) is no longer worth it
21. There is still some rumbling about moderation, as well as the rules
22. The Summer Event begins!
    β€’ At this point the thread slows down significantly, since everyone is busy picking up trash
23. The new "Recent Oekaki' gallery is announced
this is a hidden easter egg. very easter, much egg
24. In the August 1st news post, it is announced that there will be a mid-month update with some insight into behind-the-scenes stuff!
25. A continuously recurring topic is what kind of gameplay changes CS should undergo
26. Moderator applications are opened for the first time since June last year
    β€’ There are both Global Moderator and Oekaki Moderator positions open!
27. It's World Elephant Day, and in celebration there's an amazing free item set by Anouki!
    β€’ This is also met with excitement, both because the items are super cute, and because the spontaneous event is nice
    β€’ Although there's been no announcement on this thread or the dedicated suggestion, this is very similar to the mini-events and additional interaction proposed and supported by many users

2. In summary
Over the course of the last few weeks, several changes and updates have shown that staff is actively taking into account the concerns raised and suggestions made in this thread. The rules update seems to be coming at us full steam, and we can expect a mid-month update within the next week! Furthermore, staff have remained active on the thread to answer questions and continue the conversation, which is great!

Since the thread has been heard and reacted to, there are fewer new suggestions and concerns posted here (but for that there's been an uptick in "proper" suggestions in the board!). However, many themes keep recurring: the issues with suggestions, quality of life updates, moderation, the rules, and communication are most frequent. Some (or perhaps most?) of these are actively being worked on by staff. Others are thorny problems that will probably require continuous attention. Over the coming weeks and months it will be important to see how consistent these new efforts are to improve things. While it is amazing that staff have come out and responded (ignoring the admittedly rather glaring exceptions), what really matters is what happens next. The progress that is being made looks good right now, and all the indications are it will stay that way!

Last: I would like to submit a formal request for a MASSIVE shoutout to Lacuna, Seasonal, ZEL, and Burrito Bunny, as well as popping star, rockruff, Nick, Simon, and everyone else who posted, for having actively worked with and contributed to the thread. Y'all rock. Thanks for hearing us. Thanks for caring.

Woookay it is way too hot where i live so i'm going to drink some iced tea now. i think this might be the last one of these summaries, since the thread has slowed down a lot and they're getting rather long anyways, so thanks for suffering through these endlessly long posts <3 also, go adopt the elephant items. they really are super cute.
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you can now vote on the new poll! there was some constructive criticism on the previous poll and it was updated 20th of August, 2020
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              one) i agree with this post and believe this site is dying
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              two) i am neutral about the topic presented
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              three) i think chicken smoothie is doing fine
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Re: Sell Chicken Smoothie

Postby FoxTargan » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:00 am

THIS!!!! All of this!!!!!! :thumbup:
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Re: Sell Chicken Smoothie

Postby fika. » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:01 am

      i have never clicked on a thread faster and agreed so... 'visciously' in my life (and i mean this with optimism in terms of this thread).

      i joined CS back in 2014, which is a lot less time than so many on this site, but still so long. despite the many hiatus' i take and moments of quitting and disappearing from the forums, i always find a way back. that way back is nostalgia. but that does not mean i want to experience the exact same thing. it's sad to see posts still being suggested from three/four years ago. during two hiatus', those posts are still being suggested? a general consensus that agrees, and nothing being done.

      it is definitely dying and the forums are so so quiet. the only ones rapidly moving are the trade forums, and even then it's just full of large emojis and unfair trades. it is IMPOSSIBLE to trade up now-a-days or to find a pet that has no demand. the shima longtail has gone for september lists ?? and it's a simple rare that could literally turn uncommon at any point?

      staff aren't paid which has been said before, so as you stated, there is no reason to not be hiring more staff. hiring more staff would ease so much stress. so many are not incredibly active in the forums and i know if i've sent in a help ticket or friends have sent in help tickets, there is no response and can sometimes take 48 hours. if they took a few hours out of their day to read in-depth 'staff applications' then it would not be a waste of time if the right staff are picked. i know i'm not the most active, but i'd love to help out even if that was just simply being someone that deleted spam messages that get reported

      i appreciate CS staff so much and always have, they do a lot for the site. however, the most that gets done is telling someone off for bumping their thread too quick. separate staff could literally be hired for that; i see about five or six different people a day bumpming too quick. if they hire four or five people to just warn the fast-bumpers, that frees up so much staff time to focus on help tickets for example.

      also, continuous updates would be LUSH. relatively new to DV, and the updates are everyday. i joined FR when i joined CS and that is a continuous update which never ceases to amaze me. even regular site updates get done with layouts. CS has remained the same since what,, 2009? 2010?

      i would love a dark-theme. the closest i got right now is the business theme which is best for my eyes. even such a small update like that shows that the site listen. even new pet linearts would boost cs activity! i'd love to see more aquatic animals or snakes or actual butterflies, not scary butterfly wolves lol.

      i appreciate CS and love all that the staff do for it and us, but too many members are leaving for the clear reason that nothing productive is being done about the site.
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Re: Sell Chicken Smoothie

Postby the clockwork cat » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:03 am

AMEN BROTHA

I hope this gets some form of attention and action... to show CS that it's members care enough to try and save the site we all love and maybe inspire the admins to do the same..... however, if this gets deleted because CS finds it offensive and the racist posts are still up? rip CS 2008-2020 - letting racism and homophobia go unpunished but can't handle genuine critique :(
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Re: Sell Chicken Smoothie

Postby Xesei » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:11 am

This this this!

As someone who goes on hiatus way too often because of the site dying I can relate it is very hard to connect to something that doesn't even get it's basic needs met in staff <3
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Re: Sell Chicken Smoothie

Postby sardine » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:12 am

pretty much everything i could say on this topic has been said, so i'm just posting to show i agree

clearly, the staff and admins have grown out of this site, and instead of prolonging the inevitable, they should pass it on to someone who is willing to make those changes, to overhaul the site and do good for the community that's been here for years.

especially hiring new staff. staff aren't even paid to my knowledge, so it should not be hard to find volunteers who are already committing hours to this website. being "overloaded" with reports and tickets is not a viable excuse to be rude and disrespectful to community members.
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Re: Sell Chicken Smoothie

Postby samiam52900 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:13 am

could we add a poll to this?? (commenting to follow!)
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Postby fumikage » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:14 am

this!

im a relatively new user, and even i can see how the place is dying.
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Re: Sell Chicken Smoothie

Postby iconerfatty » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:23 am

SUPPORT!!! :clap:


cs hasn't had any major updates since I joined. I doubt the admins even have time or energy to update the site for events ;') when was the last time forums were updated?? FR has a log where you can see the staff making updates daily.
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