2018 CS Birthday: Pet, Item, & Event Discussion

[nickjr]

For reference, here is what happened with the "Warrior" cats. tl;dr is that the lineart is fine because it's Tess's and the "Warrior" designs are fine because they are ultimately generic cat designs, but the problem was displaying the official Warrior cat names and the overarching name "Warrior Cat" in conjunction with the designs.

I wasn't around to see what happened with the Malk dragons, but my guess based on what I've read here and there is that the issue is with neither the lineart itself nor the color designs. I think the issue is the concept/growth progression? As in, the way the dragons grow is precisely like how they grow in the books. Since, as far as we can find, dragons are mythical creatures, there is then a lot of wiggle room for how dragons can grow. So when the growth progression matches exactly...

Someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.

edit: I just found something that says Tess added a link to the dragons' pet pages that explains where the dragons came from. Did this lead to a similar situation as the Warrior cats?

[DBD]

The one who hasn’t grown.

Does that mean a rare? Very rare? Ur? I swear if ur pets from this litter exist :0

[drown]

With the birthday pets..
Will all of their rarities be a common or uncommon at most? Is it possible for rares, vrs, or urs?

[Sixx O'Clock]

With the birthday pets..
Will all of their rarities be a common or uncommon at most? Is it possible for rares, vrs, or urs?

I don't think we'll have any rarities past uncommon with these. Considering that we could adopt so many of them, and none of them are particularly hard to find, it doesn't seem at all likely that we would get even rares, let alone anything higher than that.

[ElementalInsanity]

With the birthday pets..
Will all of their rarities be a common or uncommon at most? Is it possible for rares, vrs, or urs?

It’s unlikely if I’m being honest. Perhaps a rare? I’m highly doubting anything more than rare. UR is the term for pets released dec 18th in the box and is exclusive to that, correct me if I’m wrong? So that wouldn’t be happening either.

I think the issue is the concept/growth progression? As in, the way the dragons grow is precisely like how they grow in the books. Since, as far as we can find, dragons are mythical creatures, there is then a lot of wiggle room for how dragons can grow. So when the growth progression matches exactly...

I swear nickjr you and Zel are fountains of info and I adore you both so much for it.

From what I’ve heard that was the problem, but I’m very confused. They look like any other dragons for me, what’s so ‘special’ about their growth exactly?

[Gwyneira]

The problem was that the dragons were clearly the book's dragons, not simply dragons inspired on them. The same issue happened to the sitting cats, they were literally characters from the warrior cats books. CS has no permission to use someone else's designs/characters and that's what the copyright issues were about.

Whenever an artist takes inspiration from a source material like a book series, game franchise, movie, etc. they are required to make the pets' designs as abstract as possible(like my Sonic and ghibli litters), this way we won't be crossing copyright territory by using a character design that doesn't belong to us.

Thanks for the clarification. My question is did the copyright have to do with the lines themselves, such as how the dragon grew, its anotomy, etc. Or was it just the way they were colored in? Can we expect to see the adult version or will it be a PPS like the 2010 dragon was? I'm guessing were just going to have to wait and see how it grows, but the suspense is getting to me .

[Lilian Nightshade]

For reference, here is what happened with the "Warrior" cats. tl;dr is that the lineart is fine because it's Tess's and the "Warrior" designs are fine because they are ultimately generic cat designs, but the problem was displaying the official Warrior cat names and the overarching name "Warrior Cat" in conjunction with the designs.

I wasn't around to see what happened with the Malk dragons, but my guess based on what I've read here and there is that the issue is with neither the lineart itself nor the color designs. I think the issue is the concept/growth progression? As in, the way the dragons grow is precisely like how they grow in the books. Since, as far as we can find, dragons are mythical creatures, there is then a lot of wiggle room for how dragons can grow. So when the growth progression matches exactly...

Someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.

edit: I just found something that says Tess added a link to the dragons' pet pages that explains where the dragons came from. Did this lead to a similar situation as the Warrior cats?

Oh yes, you're right about the warrior cats. Although I was in the site back when the warrior cats were still available to be adopted, I didn't witness the problem unfold nor read the explanation afterwards until much later, so I got it confused ^^'.

[I'm Grey]

I hope the new malk dragon is the adult version of the current pps one oooh that would be perfect

Probably not due to the copyright issue about the old ones being based on dragons from a book series

Being based on books isn't copyright. Having lines traced is copyright and Malk didn't do that.

Can't wait to see the dragons! ^.^

I haven't found the original posts dealing with the issue, but based on what I've heard the author wouldn't have had a legal leg to stand on. So I very much hope this new Malk dragon has the original lines and grows fully.

Here’s the original thread, I believe. The copyright issue didn’t happen until a year or so later, as seen in this thread (copyright discussion starts on page 85) and this thread (page 67). & here Tess says it’s just a common rumor. But Malk did say there were issues in 2010. I’m assuming whatever happened was dispelled by 2011.

[nickjr]

I think the issue is the concept/growth progression? As in, the way the dragons grow is precisely like how they grow in the books. Since, as far as we can find, dragons are mythical creatures, there is then a lot of wiggle room for how dragons can grow. So when the growth progression matches exactly...

I swear nickjr you and Zel are fountains of info and I adore you both so much for it.

From what I’ve heard that was the problem, but I’m very confused. They look like any other dragons for me, what’s so ‘special’ about their growth exactly?

ZEL's a better fountain than me. I have 0 first-hand knowledge of stuff that happened from April 2010 to August 2011. And a lot of juicy stuff happened then, apparently xD

I'm not familiar with dragon depiction in fiction/art, but just from my head I can think of various growth progressions.

Hatching - tiny? medium? large? fully formed? no wings? no scales/feathers/etc? no teeth? tail size? how to break out of shell--by beak? teeth? head? all at once like an explosion? or maybe they just come into being lol
Growing - follows from hatchling form: order of development of various features (wings last? first?)
Adult - I mean we can see even on CS that there are various possible depictions of an adult dragon lol

If these weren't just pictures, then we could also get into dragon behavior/socializing/rearing: group species? rear the child "tenderly" or "forcefully" (labels that a human would give, for ease of understanding)? non-adult dragon behavior--needy? independent? when?

There really isn't a "typical dragon" or "generic dragon" unless you narrow down which culture/area you're talking about (we can even see this in the various dragon types on CS)

@ person above
Thank you for providing the links!!

[Coalchaser]

The issue was with the designs of the dragons being based on the book series. The lines themselves are fine; they were not traced. However, the fact that the outcomes were based on specific characters combined with the growth stages matching the growth of the dragons in the books created a copyright issue, especially since they were declared to be based on the series by the artist.

This was a long time ago now and my mind is a bit fuzzy on the details, so please correct me if I'm remembering something incorrectly. I just want to clarify that the copyright issue doesn't affect the use of the lines. I believe malk made the decision to stop using the dragon lines for a while because of the copyright issue, and then ended up retiring so we never saw the lines return.