Dog Owner Chat v4

[awakening souls.]

people use it as an umbrella term but a pitbull is actually an american pitbull terrier. the correct umbrella term would be a bully breed and for a pitbull it would be ‘terrier’. its sort of like if you called all herding dogs [GSDs, border collies, corgis, aussies, etc] “border collies”. hope that makes sense!

But I believe the term "bully breed" covers all bully breeds (muscular body, broad head, short coat, etc...), whereas pit bull covers a select few of these bully breeds, such as the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, etc... American Pit Bull Terrier or Pit Bull Terrier as most call the breed is the name for it, and though many people call the breed pit bulls, it isn't their technical name. "Pit Bull is a description for a type of dog, but American Pit Bull Terriers are a breed."

I guess some/a lot of people call their APBTs pit bulls, but that isn't the correct term.

[maninkari]

what year will people stop claiming their BBM/american bullies “pitbulls”.. it doesnt make you cooler, lol. i especially hate seeing BYB doing it.

Never. Good things don't happen to APBT people :,)

But I believe the term "bully breed" covers all bully breeds (muscular body, broad head, short coat, etc...), whereas pit bull covers a select few of these bully breeds, such as the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, etc... American Pit Bull Terrier or Pit Bull Terrier as most call the breed is the name for it, and though many people call the breed pit bulls, it isn't their technical name. "Pit Bull is a description for a type of dog, but American Pit Bull Terriers are a breed."

I guess some/a lot of people call their APBTs pit bulls, but that isn't the correct term.

I very firmly believe the only dogs who should be called Pit Bulls are APBTs. BSL feeds off of mislabeling, when multiple breeds and mixes are Pit Bulls, bite statistics go woosh. Especially since a lot of bully and mix breed breeders aren't responsible and breed temperamentally unsound dogs.

[taurus ;]

@maninkari

Yeah, didn't want to get into that subject, but I strongly agree. The only pitbull is the APBT. It is the correct term believe it or not. Pitbulls, Staffies, and Am Bullies under one umbrella term and to be so different..makes no sense, but ok.

[awakening souls.]

^ Little harsh, halogen, but I'll take the info that has been given to me.

[taurus ;]

^ Little harsh, halogen, but I'll take the info that has been given to me.

Can you explain how that was in any way harsh? I pointed out that something didn't make sense to me and my opinion on said matter. That was just my 2 cents as someone who owns an actual APBT..

I think what's harsh is dogs being killed because of mislabeling.

[awakening souls.]

Just a joke, halogen. My apologies. Didn't mean to raise hair.

I see you edited your post. It's all good though, I was just trying to lighten the mood. My apologies.

[ru.]

On a lighter note...😅

Did anyone else watch the AKC National Championship show last night?

I must say I am generally impressed with where some of the U.S. judges are taking a few of the breeds!
For instance, the Longhaired Dachshund, German Shepherd,
and even the Bulldog all looked so much better to me than the breed equivalents in some of the European shows I've seen recently.

The Longhaired Dachshund was insanely impressive! Much longer legs than any top show Dachshund I've ever seen! I was taken aback almost (in a good way!) And the dog scored in the top 3 for the entire group!
The German Shepherd was also beautiful! Barely a *slope at all with a strong gait and great hips and legs. It was an awesome breed example and scored in the top 3 for the herding group!

These are steps in the right direction and I'm excited to see if these changes start appearing breed-wide.

If longer legs can work in a Longhaired Dachshund than maybe it will help to influence the shorthair and wirehair as well! (:
I am already confident in the showline German Shepherd in the U.S.A. being well on its way to nation-wide change.

(*EDIT for typo)

[eleutheromania]

On a lighter note...😅

Did anyone else watch the AKC National Championship show last night?

I must say I am generally impressed with where some of the U.S. judges are taking a few of the breeds!
For instance, the Longhaired Dachshund, German Shepherd,
and even the Bulldog all looked so much better to me than the breed equivalents in some of the European shows I've seen recently.

The Longhaired Dachshund was insanely impressive! Much longer legs than any top show Dachshund I've ever seen! I was taken aback almost (in a good way!) And the dog scored in the top 3 for the entire group!
The German Shepherd was also beautiful! Barely a slow at all with a strong gait and great hips and legs. It was an awesome breed example and scored in the top 3 for the herding group!

These are steps in the right direction and I'm excited to see if these changes start appearing breed-wide.

If longer legs can work in a Longhaired Dachshund than maybe it will help to influence the shorthair and wirehair as well! (:
I am already confident in the showline German Shepherd in the U.S.A. being well on its way to nation-wide change.

The standards are the same in all coats. the only difference in judging is through the coats. longer legs are actually hard to come by, said dachshund could have been an import. most US breeders do not breed for longer legs. are you speaking of the standard or miniature? standards tend to have long legs than miniatures. also the minis have higher chances of IVDD due to the smaller size and longer over exaggerate backs being completely straight or sloped downward. most of the dachshunds i’ve seen bred in the us have short legs. the imports from other than england have the longer legs mostly.

i didn’t watch but i’d love to see pictures of the doxie.

i’m actually glad my boy doesn’t have the overexaggered back. his back isn’t bone straight but no extremely curved either. only bad thing is he has a broken coat, that happens when breeding a long x short. but it’s still pretty and easy to maintain. if you don’t know what a broken coat is here is a pic of loki.

[ru.]

On a lighter note...😅

Did anyone else watch the AKC National Championship show last night?

I must say I am generally impressed with where some of the U.S. judges are taking a few of the breeds!
For instance, the Longhaired Dachshund, German Shepherd,
and even the Bulldog all looked so much better to me than the breed equivalents in some of the European shows I've seen recently.

The Longhaired Dachshund was insanely impressive! Much longer legs than any top show Dachshund I've ever seen! I was taken aback almost (in a good way!) And the dog scored in the top 3 for the entire group!
The German Shepherd was also beautiful! Barely a slow at all with a strong gait and great hips and legs. It was an awesome breed example and scored in the top 3 for the herding group!

These are steps in the right direction and I'm excited to see if these changes start appearing breed-wide.

If longer legs can work in a Longhaired Dachshund than maybe it will help to influence the shorthair and wirehair as well! (:
I am already confident in the showline German Shepherd in the U.S.A. being well on its way to nation-wide change.

The standards are the same in all coats. the only difference in judging is through the coats. longer legs are actually hard to come by, said dachshund could have been an import. most US breeders do not breed for longer legs. are you speaking of the standard or miniature? standards tend to have long legs than miniatures. also the minis have higher chances of IVDD due to the smaller size and longer over exaggerate backs being completely straight or sloped downward. most of the dachshunds i’ve seen bred in the us have short legs. the imports from other than england have the longer legs mostly.

i didn’t watch but i’d love to see pictures of the doxie.

i’m actually glad my boy doesn’t have the overexaggered back. his back isn’t bone straight but no extremely curved either. only bad thing is he has a broken coat, that happens when breeding a long x short. but it’s still pretty and easy to maintain. if you don’t know what a broken coat is here is a pic of loki.

You have a good looking little dude on your hands!
(: Even if his coat is technically a fault, I actually love the appearance of it personally!

I know that the standards are the same for all three breed varieties (like with the Cocker Spaniel as well) and I guess by "European" I was really generalizing based on the U.K. shows I've seen wherein the pups seemed to for the most part be too exaggerated in most breeds.

But I did mention the judges right off the bat because the breeders can breed whatever they interpret the standard to be, but at the end of the day it is up to the judges to determine what they see to be the best representative of each breed. The more judges are exposed to changes, the more they are likely to change their perceptions. And if we can see breed improvements winning high scores with judges in big shows, it is more likely that other judges will be influenced to change their ideas of breeds as well. All great things!

The Longhaired Dachshund I was talking about was a Standard not a Miniature, and the difference may have seemed more to me since in my daily life I usually see Miniatures much more frequently. However the shorthair and wirehair equivalents did not really compare to the longhair in leg length nor overall size. He/she was a big and tall pup! And a beautiful dog!

I did a bunch of googling just now and could not find the doxie I'm talking about! But I'll see if I can just grab a photo of it off my DVR recording of the show. (:

[Imzadi83]

On a lighter note...😅

Did anyone else watch the AKC National Championship show last night?

I must say I am generally impressed with where some of the U.S. judges are taking a few of the breeds!
For instance, the Longhaired Dachshund, German Shepherd,
and even the Bulldog all looked so much better to me than the breed equivalents in some of the European shows I've seen recently.

The Longhaired Dachshund was insanely impressive! Much longer legs than any top show Dachshund I've ever seen! I was taken aback almost (in a good way!) And the dog scored in the top 3 for the entire group!
The German Shepherd was also beautiful! Barely a *slope at all with a strong gait and great hips and legs. It was an awesome breed example and scored in the top 3 for the herding group!

These are steps in the right direction and I'm excited to see if these changes start appearing breed-wide.

If longer legs can work in a Longhaired Dachshund than maybe it will help to influence the shorthair and wirehair as well! (:
I am already confident in the showline German Shepherd in the U.S.A. being well on its way to nation-wide change.

(*EDIT for typo)

I watched it, but was in a lot of pain with a migraine so didn't watch that closely. I did notice the GSD though and was glad to see the back slope wasn't as exaggerated as I expected.